Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-24 Thread 3-dB Networks
It's a 100Mbps full duplex link... an upconverted 23GHz link if anything.

Don't confuse it with Snaplink... those things are junk

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides 
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-24 Thread 3-dB Networks
Its big brother, which isn't that much more... has fiber interfaces...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:42 PM
To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Bret Clark
Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides 
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Why only 85Mbps?  I figured they'd do a full 100.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
 attenuation.

 On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.

 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.

 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot
 easier to peak in.

 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the
 politically correct way to put it.

 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Belton
I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides 
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Stephenson
What are your thoughts about the impact of rain and snow on the 24 GHz
signal?


On 11/23/09 2:23 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
wrote:

 Why only 85Mbps?  I figured they'd do a full 100.
 
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
 attenuation.
 
 On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 
 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Gino Villarini
its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Belton
We have a Ceragon 23Ghz OC3 link up that is power leveled to -50 with 10db
of power at .15 mile using a 1' antenna and 2' antenna.  The link has ATPC
and uses it...that should give you an idea how quickly 23-24GHz will fade in
some parts of the country!  lol

Best,


Brad



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:33 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

What are your thoughts about the impact of rain and snow on the 24 GHz
signal?


On 11/23/09 2:23 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
wrote:

 Why only 85Mbps?  I figured they'd do a full 100.
 
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
wrote:
 Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
 attenuation.
 
 On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 
 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Belton
I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what
Matt said in his initial post:


The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some
interesting features in it, including a 
constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals
look like.


So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics?  Did
you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set?  Still seems really high when
compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not
much more money.

Best,


Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
This is not your typical OFDM radio set - the back end is a licensed 
type radio setup to run in 24ghz.  

I'm not that worried about rain fade around here.   Western Nebraska 
used to be considered part of the Great American Desert - so heavy 
rain or snow is not a regular occurrence.   I've got two other wireless 
links that get back to that location from other places, so if it does 
drop out, I can cover it.  

FWIW, the 85meg testing was not the rigorous testing that many do - I 
just did a simple tcp test between the RB1000 routers on both sides to 
see what speeds I would get.   My guess is that the RB1000s are the 
limitation, not the radio.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Brad Belton wrote:
 I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
 wouldn't last long!  

 $8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

 Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
 attenuation. 

 On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

   
 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.

 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides 
 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.

 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.

 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.

 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com




 
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread chris cooper
How much are the Apex units?

Chris

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on
what
Matt said in his initial post:


The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has
some
interesting features in it, including a 
constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
signals
look like.


So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics?
Did
you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set?  Still seems really high
when
compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for
not
much more money.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Gino Villarini
We paid a bit less, A trango solution would have cost us $4k-5k more
(including FCC fees).  

We just needed 50 Mbps on this link, if we grow it pass that, we would
go licensed and move the 24 ghz someplace else!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on
what
Matt said in his initial post:


The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has
some
interesting features in it, including a 
constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
signals
look like.


So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics?
Did
you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set?  Still seems really high
when
compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for
not
much more money.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Belton
Ha!  If only you knew just how funny that question really is...as I shuffle
through my most recent stack of Trango quotes.  grin 

Seriously, I think the Trango Apex radios start in the $8k range and go up
from there.  Trango has run specials on their radios offering them at
times for even less than $8k.  We've been a Trango customer since the BETA
inception of their Sunstream radios and while we have not been afraid to
criticize Trango when needed we have been pretty damn loyal!

YMMV...give them a call and find out who your Trango sales rep is.  I know
you won't be disappointed with the product as it does perform as advertised.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

How much are the Apex units?

Chris

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on
what
Matt said in his initial post:


The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has
some
interesting features in it, including a 
constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM
signals
look like.


So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics?
Did
you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set?  Still seems really high
when
compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for
not
much more money.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX

I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz

We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer,
It's a great unit, mount its not that bad.  Ours is going half mile.  98
Mbps Fdx

Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz
wouldn't last long!  

$8K!  Really?  Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio

Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the
attenuation. 

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the 
 place of a 100meg fiber loop.
 
 We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes.   -65 signal on both sides

 and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions.
 
 Very happy with it so far.   The software and management interface is 
 very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including
a 
 constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM 
 signals look like.   This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for 
 the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using
that 
 instead of trying to call out signal strengths.   That made it a lot 
 easier to peak in.
 
 Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is 
 actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower.   It is not very 
 fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the 
 politically correct way to put it.
 
 The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood.   The fiber link was 
 costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for
itself.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 




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