Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-30 Thread Robert West
sector power? Not only that but the systems tend to work much nicer when they are run within the design specs marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not only that but the systems tend to work much nicer when they are run within the design specs marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-26 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/26/2010 12:55 AM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred Goldstein wrote: At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Blair Davis
I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. CPE to AP is PtP. AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to "smart AP's" and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM,

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth stations required licenses in the days before DBS.

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
] Maximum sector power? I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. CPE to AP is PtP. AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to smart AP's and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Stuart Pierce
, 2010 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. CPE to AP is PtP. AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to smart AP's and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 12:12 AM, Robert West wrote: Stick with the rules, dude. You'll still get customers and you'll still make money. One FCC visit can

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 09:32 AM, Bob West wrote: Man, that's ugly. I've never tested the spread of the older nanos, the new M series look as if they stay where you put them though. But that's a mess... Sure is. I smell hardware. Looking at the plot over time

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 12:12 AM, Robert West wrote: Stick

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Jack Unger
Fred Goldstein wrote: At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Stuart Pierce
How about the age old, if your AP talks to one client at a time, then it is a ptp system. Much more so now with scheduling and UBNT's AirMax. I'm still on the talk about a 120* or less allows you to increase beyond 36 on each end. The talk was coming from the FCC a few years back from people

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Francois Menard
Or you can be legit in Canada, and go for 3.65 GHz and get up to 57 dBM legally in rural areas ;) Courtesy of the guy that changed the rules for 3.65 in Canada and is looking for the US to do the same... F. On 2010-06-23, at 5:41 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: I'm just a little confused about

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Stuart Pierce
I see negligible difference in signal strength anyway between 20 and 27. -- Original Message -- From: Francois Menard fmen...@xittel.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:03:59 -0400 Or you can be legit in Canada,

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Dennis Burgess
Now, do this. Take a Mikrotik, set the transmitting antenna to A, and put your smaller sector up, then put on the B connector the largest sector you can find. :) That work? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies,

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
FYI. Please make sure that you are running the most recent version 5.2 on the M series... Older firmware had known issues in setting up the output power. Faisal On Jun 24, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: I see negligible difference in signal strength anyway

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Jeremie Chism
We had a discussion about this on the ubnt board. I have a pair of nanobridge M units. No difference was shown with an increase or decrease in power. I did notice at a certain point that after a day the units would completely stop transmitting. A reboot would fix it. Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Robert West
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? Do not forget OOB and the likes. I have been using AirView for a while to check on my sites and some were unacceptable to me (5mhz but still hitting 10 or 20mhz at -85) so I replaced the cards

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Fred Goldstein
] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? Do not forget OOB and the likes. I have been using AirView for a while to check on my sites and some were unacceptable to me (5mhz but still hitting 10 or 20mhz at -85) so

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Justin Wilson
: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 sectors to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then setting them to 20. Oddly enough much stronger signal's at 17 than at 20.. We have one site where we have

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Jeromie Reeves
22:53:23 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 sectors to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then setting them to 20. Oddly enough

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread RickG
Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity.  But then My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to the full-duplex system or per traffic

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread RickG
/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? We are running RocketM2

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Justin Wilson
: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:53:34 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? Not to argue your point as I agree with you but how do you know your running it at 100%? Just cause

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jack Unger
That's a basic question. From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. What individual WISP operators actually do in practice is anybody's guess. The majority of WISP operators are mature, responsible people. They strive to do the right thing

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jack Unger
That's a basic question. From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. What individual WISP operators actually do in practice is anybody's guess. The majority of WISP operators are mature, responsible people. They strive to do the right thing

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Randy Cosby
And when the FCC comes knocking, you can always point to the other guy and say but he's worse! Or not... Randy On 6/23/2010 3:59 PM, Jack Unger wrote: That's a basic question. From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. What individual

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Robert West
Stick with the rules, dude. You'll still get customers and you'll still make money. One FCC visit can ruin your day, Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:41 PM

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/24/2010 12:12 AM, Robert West wrote: Stick with the rules, dude. You'll still get customers and you'll still make money. One FCC visit can ruin your day, Oh, I intend to advise my clients to stick with the rules, and I design networks accordingly. I'm just a little surprised at how easy

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Rubens Kuhl
The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity.  But then My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to the full-duplex system or per traffic direction... one reading would say that an uplink(Customer - WISP) that is made using directive antennas can follow

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Ryan Ghering
We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 sectors to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then setting them to 20. Oddly enough much stronger signal's at 17 than at 20.. We have one site where we have the radios set to 13 and they work

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Do not forget OOB and the likes. I have been using AirView for a while to check on my sites and some were unacceptable to me (5mhz but still hitting 10 or 20mhz at -85) so I replaced the cards (all MT sites). I am unsure if the cards are bad, going bad, or just how they were working from day one.