It seems to me a long time ago (back in the dial up days), we restricted people
from 8 AM to midnight but let them go full out and abuse the heck out of their
connection if they so desired from midnight to 8 AM. We didn't *bill*
differently.
Or maybe we just wanted to. I know we *told*
On Nov 15, 2009, at 11:47 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
Oh my that is insane kw/h pricing. Happen to know what there buy back rates
are?
Here I pay .07 kw/h with a buy back of .02 kw/h.
New York State requires buyback at the same rate as the sell rate. So it'd be
.07 kw/h both ways. The
those times. Shouldn't be cumbersome for torrent
freaks.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing (time of use
for P2P during those times. Shouldn't be cumbersome for torrent
freaks.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing (time of use billing)
Is he completely cut off or restricted to only certain sites/email? Hughes
meters during business hours and if one goes over
, they wouldn't use it.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing (time of use billing)
Is he completely cut off
--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:25 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
In the past, l worked for two electric companies. Their business models
were
dependant on meters. As far as internet access, Compuserve and AOL
Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:38 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Rick, did you have a self-serve portal
robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I'm totally for metered billing however the customers have all been
spoiled
with one price access for years now. To not alienate the customer
Unlimited water here, it's called a well.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have unlimited water in my home. $40 per
: Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited plan on my
cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet access for $9.95/mo
extra.
People don't want
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Marlon,
With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you want is
working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors (DSL, wireless,
cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly. You are brining
, 2009 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
No, my unlimited cell phone plan is only $35/mo (Cricket). I did have to
buy the phone though, ($50).
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
Unlimited cell
either way.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
--
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:09 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all
the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for.
This thread is making
-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:06:47
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system
that does all of the other automation in the company should
Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
What happens when the teenager starts
: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:07 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
WISPA appears to be American WISP-centric Ralph. How many members are
based
outside the USA?
What does WISPA do for non-American WISPs other than run a very good
public
ogers" ecrog...@precisionds.com
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:00 AM
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and
a friend shows up... decides to go down t
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post
is. 7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time.
Especially when input is just personal opinion
Talking about electric billing in this thread made me think of time-of-use
billing and tiered billing rate schedules for electrical usage. PGE has
multiple rate schedules. The standard consumer rate schedule starts at
$0.115 per KWh and grows to $0.44 per KWh for usage over 300% of the
baseline.
, November 12, 2009 11:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
As one of those big guys...
We have tiers for data usage both on a Daily and a Monthly rate.
For our base line customers on a $25 a month plan, it's 1.5 meg down with
1GB total per month bandwidth; 8 bucks
...@precisionds.com
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and
a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it
running till mom and dad gets
...@avanzarnetworks.com
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing (time of use billing)
Talking about electric billing in this thread made me think of time-of-use
billing and tiered billing rate schedules for electrical
Yes, in my mind, that's is another component of metered billing:
1) Bill by the bit.
2) Bill for premiumbits based upon prioirity.
3) Bill for premium time.
Of course, the trick is having the proper billing package to pull it off.
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Tim Sylvester
Oh my that is insane kw/h pricing. Happen to know what there buy back rates are?
Here I pay .07 kw/h with a buy back of .02 kw/h.
I have thought of doing time rates, but for now I turn down p2p, etc, during
peek times and kick it up at off peek. This worked well till the major push over
to
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding
complexity
to your network.
Travis
Microserv
Chuck Profito wrote:
Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth
Actually, that is not what Rick was suggesting as I understood it. At
one level he's saying he should be able to charge the company who is
NOT in his service territory for responding to a customer enquiry
(looking at a web page, downloading a movie).
Your cell company charges *you* for your
On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:35 PM, RickG wrote:
For $100 a month per phone and the internet access is relatively
slow. Not
really an apples to apples comparison.
In my home, I want unlimited electicity, natural gas, and water too!
Ah, but information wants to be free!
See, we can all trade
If it is free you can have ALL the business!
Ah, but information wants to be free!
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL
LOL, All in good fun! To be clear, I really dont want free electricity, gas,
or water because you get what you pay for every time.
On the serious side, i disagree with your statement. Some information wants
or needs to be free. Especially public domain info such is how to get your
drivers license,
] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding
complexity
to your
?
poke
Chuck
The natural gas isn't free either. You had to pay for the chili!
grin
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have unlimited
, shouldn't they pay more?
Eric
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use
On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:14 PM, RickG wrote:
LOL, All in good fun! To be clear, I really dont want free
electricity, gas,
or water because you get what you pay for every time.
On the serious side, i disagree with your statement.
Really, it's just a quote, not a statement by me per se. I
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
As one of those big guys...
We have tiers for data usage both on a Daily and a Monthly rate.
For our base line customers on a $25 a month plan, it's 1.5 meg down with
1GB total per month bandwidth; 8 bucks a gig beyond that up to 5 gigs
have access to 3.5 as a
licensed band too.
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
What country
.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Here's some quick numbers off my network:
for the last 8 days
71
, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Wow... Verizon is screwing you
like 2tb a month, with a $75/mb overage fee :|
Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106
From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
When I setup metering for the colo I used to work for we bought in
$15k in overages a month. It was great!
Ryan
On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
wrote:
With the proper setup the network complexity does not change. Why
would
I want to give up
). One month they actually turned on
the throttling. Our upstream costs INCREASED by 10 or 20%. Even though we
dropped our incoming speed by 90%.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Marlon,
With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you
want is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors
(DSL
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Unlimited cell phone? I don't buy it There's a limit, there always is.
Also, is your unlimited cell phone program only $40 or $50 per month?
If I
: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited plan
on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet access for
$9.95/mo extra.
People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to be from
month to month. Would you
Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed
minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and
6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but
the problem I
What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and
a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it
running till mom and dad gets home at 6:00 PM? Then mom and dad
decide to rent a movie. To me, I am counting on over-selling the
bandwidth and that is
There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all
the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for.
This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are
rising uses on ALL of our networks. Christmas is coming, so are new
game consoles.
I constantly
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
What happens when the teenager starts the streaming tv on the xbox and
a friend shows up... decides to go down the street but leaves it
running till mom and dad gets home at 6
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all
the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for.
This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are
rising uses on ALL of our networks. Christmas is coming, so
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
OK, in light of that. Have you run the calculations on what a 1 meg, 3 meg
and 6 meg stream will use?
Remember to count BOTH directions. Our average user is about 8x down vs.
up. So a 3 meg incoming video stream also contains what
up in this situation? grin
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited
plan
on my
No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are
great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared
bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper
ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial
You get what you pay for.
On 11/8/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are
great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared
bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to
an issue of course, the customer will eat whatever
we can give them and then some...
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
- Original Message -
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all
the time if that's what they perceive they are paying
Travis, I do agree with you that bandwidth eventually becomes less of a
concern. I failed to make my point. I was responding to your comment that
you have unlimited water which in my mind did not mesh with this discussion.
Dont get me wrong, I'm looking for and appreciate your input.
At any rate,
This is when I miss Charles Wu on this list. We built a comprehensive
spreadsheet together once showing real numbers. Of course that was a long
time ago and the numbers are obsolete. Perhaps its time to resurrect it? As
Marlon said, there is limited capacity. That statement applies to us in many
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are
great
, 2009 2:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
George, I have not played with the N stuff. Mostly because I need to upgrade
my towers. That is in the plans. Which is where this discussion s
originating from. Anytime I spend money, I have to confirm it is worthwhile
can give them and then some...
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
No, but they expect to get
I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run
speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception
is everything. Give them the perception they get that all the time.
Mike
At 12:25 PM
, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run
speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception
is everything
Just a side note, the water meters were installed by mandate of the DEQ
(Government Agency) They fixed it so the Utilities could not borrow
money or apply for grants if they were not metered.
With the way our politics are going right now it may not be long before
there is a Gov Agency making
change my mind in a heartbeat.
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have (hopefully) all the speedtest
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Wisps is wisp-centric. There is no excuse not to support your
organization.
On Nov 8, 2009
, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run
speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception
Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run
speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em
What country are you in George?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list
: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
WISPA appears to be American WISP-centric Ralph. How many members are
based
outside the USA?
What does WISPA do for non-American WISPs other than run a very good
public
mailing list that provides some decent discussion
Wow... Verizon is screwing you... my family has 5 lines, 1200 minutes
shared (national with carryover), unlimited text mesages and pics and I
pay $165 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.).
That's with ATT even.
Travis
Microserv
Mike wrote:
There are those (the 5%?) who
Eric,
What type of appliance are you using to meter this usage? I have the same
problem here.
Joe
- Original Message
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 6:56:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
We are
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Eric,
What type of appliance are you using to meter this usage? I have the same
problem here.
Joe
- Original Message
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
To: WISPA
Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
We are on
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity
to your network.
Travis
Microserv
Chuck Profito wrote:
Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog!
-Original Message-
With the proper setup the network complexity does not change. Why would
I want to give up additional revenue?
Travis Johnson wrote:
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity
to your network.
-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base to cable or DSL
That is true, but depending on your business model, bandwidth based pricing
will need to be implemented eventually. Why turn away the money if they are
willing to pay? If they are not, they will go elsewhere. -RickG
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
10% of your
Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot box that
gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill accordingly. The
hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does it
automatically. -RickG
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers
Hi,
You are talking about having to add additional resources (radius, etc.)
to track it. Then you have to bill it. Then you get to deal with the
phone calls from users that say "My computer wasn't even turned on
during those times. Remove the charge or I will go elsewhere." So,
even that one
And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that
claim they didn't use that much. :(
Travis
Microserv
RickG wrote:
Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot box that
gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill accordingly. The
So have you tried it or are you doing it now that you are saying it is a
pain in the rear?
Eric
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
You sound like the cell phone company.
I am convinced the big failure in my business model is I charge by the
month while the cellular guys charge by the minute.
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
You are talking about having to add additional resources (radius, etc.)
to track it. Then you have to
Travis, I was operating on the premise that you said to send them to DSL or
cable.
Even with that, I did not have that experience. We sent the invoices out
with a copy of their usage report and it was rarely, if ever questioned.
-RickG
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
they downloaded.
We are moving very quickly to usage based billing too btw.
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I'm with Travis.
If 90% of your customers cost $1 a month and 10% of your customers cost $1 a
month it only makes sense to trim the fat.
Every single month Vonage contacts the top 3% heaviest users and tells them
they're a) raising their bill or b) gone (I was told it's the customer's
choice).
that happen in a PPPoE environment
without forcing people to disconnect and re-login.
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
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Travis, I was operating on the premise that you said to send them to DSL or
cable.
Even with that, I did not have that experience. We sent
In addition, their costs are limited by speed availability. To explain,
you may not be able to use their service everywhere and when you can the
usage is limited to just a handful of apps and the speed of their
connection. In our case, the customer has multiple computers and devices on
our
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
customer base
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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
In PPPOE you should be able to just kill the connection and the client
should reestablish a moment afterward. I know it works this way with MT
PPPOE server/client.
Josh
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I mostly agree, it was really just a thought. But, to support my argument
for I point to the telco agreements where they exchange fees for each others
networks. At any rate, it will probably never happen. With that said, the
end user
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
In PPPOE you should be able to just kill the connection and the client
should reestablish a moment afterward. I know it works this way with MT
PPPOE server/client.
Josh
I've felt this way many times but I always go back to my business model
which says We are in business to provide internet access for profit
according to our posted rates under the terms spelled out in our AUP and the
contract between (us) the company and the subscriber. Furthermore, my
business
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I mostly agree, it was really just a thought. But, to support my argument
for I point
I think the better question is Are we in business to sell Internet access
or sell Internet access while making money?
As far as I know, there is no comparable service to Internet in terms of
progression where minimal bandwidth capabilities soon become enormous
capabilities and services exceeding
environment
without forcing people to disconnect and re-login.
George
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Travis, I
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
That would work. The only thing you'd need to test is the clients you're
using. It would be up
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I mostly agree, it was really just a thought. But, to support my argument
for I point to the telco agreements where they exchange fees for each
others
networks. At any rate, it will probably never happen. With that said, the
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