Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5.  I think it is a bit more then
the compex cards but well worth it.

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
 What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
 point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
 plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.


 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Carullo

My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal 
power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you 
should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get 
them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an 
excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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 I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
 What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
 point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
 plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
500mw amp.



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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no
better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8
heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
500mw amp.




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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
outside way up there!

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.


 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Bubble bursted, nevermind.

On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
 an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have
 so
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 since
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 in
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 trips
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.


 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Burst and busted at the same time that is :)  Need Dew...

On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Bubble bursted, nevermind.

 On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
 get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
 an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 have
 so
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 since
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 in
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 trips
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.


 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/6/19 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com:
 Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no
 better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8
 heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser.

Yes, I'm aware, and I've built it both ways in the past. I will also
be at least a day away from each of these sites, and want to simplify
the upkeep. I'll have someone on the ground who can troubleshoot the
boards and radio cards, but will not climb. The tower labour will be
mostly unskilled, and swapping three amps with coax connections will
be easier for them.



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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread David E. Smith
Scott Carullo wrote:
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal 
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with 
Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd 
turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be 
okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so 
they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better 
performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor. 
Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work 
better, but modern radio cards can put out enough power that you 
likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse.

We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much 
power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our 
2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive 
card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and 
we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even 
better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset).

If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most 
of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a
250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having the
radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I could
have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
outside way up there!

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have
so
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
in
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
trips
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.





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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread RickG
Does the XR2/5 work in a WRAP or WAR or both? -RickG

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5.  I think it is a bit more then
 the compex cards but well worth it.

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
  What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
  point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
  plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Reed
Do the link budgets including cable loss.
XR cards are 600mW cards, so more output than the amps originally proposed.
I have XR cards on the ground, 150' of LMR600 to antennae at the top and 
the links all work as predicted.
I just can't see putting any kind of amp at the top when you can do it 
all with the card and the proper cable.  It is all in the planning.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 David,

 Compex aka r52(h) and xr5 are atheros 5413 for sure.

 But the xr5 well outperforms like you said - more so to do with the
 wireless stuff in the card I am sure.

 On 6/19/09, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:
   
 Scott Carullo wrote:
 
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
   
 This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with
 Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd
 turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be
 okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so
 they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better
 performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor.
 Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work
 better, but modern radio cards can put out enough power that you
 likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse.

 We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much
 power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our
 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive
 card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and
 we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even
 better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset).

 If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most
 of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread John Valenti
Jeremy,

Since you mention StarOS, I have to ask:  why not just use the Lucaya  
gear?

If you skip the amps, the X2000 would let your climber take up a  
replacement radio and change two RF cables and one ethernet cable.   
(for two radios)

Just curious why you seem to reject the StarOS preferred hardware?
thanks
-John

On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:

 I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
 What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
 point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
 plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.




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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



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 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
 a
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
  2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 
 
  My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
  power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
 
  You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
  should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
 get
  them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
 an
  excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
 
 
  I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 have
 so
  much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 since
  its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 in
  the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 trips
  up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
  500mw amp.
 
 
 


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf

The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the higher
powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor go
down also. :)

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by
my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
wrote:

 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
 a
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
  2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 
 
  My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely
illegal
  power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
 
  You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and
you
  should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
 get
  them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless
is
 an
  excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
 
 
  I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 have
 so
  much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 since
  its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the
radios
 in
  the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 trips
  up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw
or
  500mw amp.
 
 
 




 
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 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Awesome!  What about the XR5?  Or any 5.8 card for that matter?

We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in
the field, but what about financially?  I see that this cable is $600 for
150 feet.  At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning
strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it.  If I'm about to deploy a
Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
 http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf

 The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the
 higher
 powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
 also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor
 go
 down also. :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
  The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
  LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
 
  Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
  lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by
 my
  house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to
 have
  to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
  night now then I use to a few years back... :)
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
 
  Augh..4 bucks a foot.
 
  What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 
  I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and
 put
  a
  250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
  output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
  the
  radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the
 ground.
  BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
 
  So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
  could
  have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
  actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
 
  Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an
 amplifier?
 
  I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
  outside way up there!
 
  On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
   2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
  
  
   My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely
 illegal
   power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
  
   You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and
 you
   should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
  get
   them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless
 is
  an
   excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
  
  
   I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
  have
  so
   much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
  since
   its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the
 radios
  in
   the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
  trips
   up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw
 or
   500mw amp.
  
  
  
 
 
 

 
  
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done
any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know
when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was
using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at the
bottom I changed that side to a 29db 2 foot dish and I actually seen the
signals go up a couple db. I would assume you could use it for PTMP but you
may have to switch to a little higher gain antenna on the client end. But I
would rather have a better client antenna anyway than have to worry about
lightning on the main tower so the benefits outweigh the negatives.

The nice thing with with backhaul radio's being on the ground is if you ever
maxed out a link and needed to move up to some higher throughput radios all
you gotta do is unscrew the coax at the bottom and plug the new radio's in.
:)

You could do it with canopy also if you are using the connectorized 2.4ghz
AP and a vertical omni. I know the Canopy radio's are $1500 so just saving
from 1 lightning hit is more than worth it.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Awesome!  What about the XR5?  Or any 5.8 card for that matter?

We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in
the field, but what about financially?  I see that this cable is $600 for
150 feet.  At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning
strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it.  If I'm about to deploy a
Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
 http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf

 The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the
 higher
 powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
 also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor
 go
 down also. :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
  The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
  LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
 
  Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
  lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be
by
 my
  house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to
 have
  to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
  night now then I use to a few years back... :)
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
 
  Augh..4 bucks a foot.
 
  What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:
 
  I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and
 put
  a
  250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db
power
  output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than
having
  the
  radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the
 ground.
  BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
 
  So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
  could
  have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
  actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, June 19

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread lakeland
5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


I've put in Heliax 1/2 through 1 1/2 cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
prior to entering the switch port.

Dave Hulsebus

Josh Luthman wrote:
 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
   
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 a
 
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com

 
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
   
 get
 
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
   
 an
   
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

   
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 
 have
 
 so
   
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 
 since
   
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 
 in
   
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 
 trips
   
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.



 
   
 
 
 
   
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Andrew Jones
Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly 
compared to the ubiquiti cards?

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50


 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net

 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


 I've put in Heliax 1/2 through 1 1/2 cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
 some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
 either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
 attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
 Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
 station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
 as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
 music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

 Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
 our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
 regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
 loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
 arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
 site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
 prior to entering the switch port.

 Dave Hulsebus

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
   
 
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 
   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
 a
 
   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com

 
   
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
   
 
 get
 
   
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
   
 
 an
   
 
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

   
 
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 
   
 have
 
   
 so
   
 
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 
   
 since
   
 
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread eje
Don't run them without antenna connected. Very sensitive there. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:15 
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly 
compared to the ubiquiti cards?

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50


 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net

 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


 I've put in Heliax 1/2 through 1 1/2 cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
 some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
 either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
 attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
 Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
 station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
 as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
 music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

 Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
 our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
 regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
 loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
 arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
 site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
 prior to entering the switch port.

 Dave Hulsebus

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
   
 
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 
   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
 a
 
   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com

 
   
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
   
 
 get
 
   
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
   
 
 an
   
 
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

   
 
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread David Hulsebus
I meant elliptical or air cable, and don't think they manufacture the 
Air Heliax cable anymore. After they joined CommScope, they shrunk their 
product line quite a bit.  I put two runs of the elliptical waveguide on 
a tower I own and for the cost wouldn't put it anywhere I didn't expect 
to be for a very long time.

Dave Hulsebus

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50


 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net

 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


 I've put in Heliax 1/2 through 1 1/2 cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
 some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
 either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
 attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
 Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
 station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
 as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
 music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

 Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
 our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
 regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
 loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
 arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
 site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
 prior to entering the switch port.

 Dave Hulsebus

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

 On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
   
 
 The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
 LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.

 Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
 lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
 house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
 to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
 night now then I use to a few years back... :)

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Augh..4 bucks a foot.

 What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 
   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
 a
 
   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com

 
   
 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
   
 
 get
 
   
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
   
 
 an
   
 
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

   
 
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 
   
 have
 
   
 so
   
 
 much