Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace

Rick does a great job for us all, I'm sure better minds than mine could find an alternative to discussing on the general list. 

If my response to closing the thread was over zealous, I apologize to Rick and the list.

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From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:30 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

To All,

I took over the moderation of the wireless@wispa.org list about a year and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 

This position is not a fun one, I need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. Alex?s post with the title, ?New Revenue Stream? was one of the newest messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn?t in the best mood when I read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I was in error. Possibly.

I have received a few complaints about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in error, feel free to contact me offlist. 


Respectfully,


Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



That seems reasonable Rick.

I think maybe part of the problem here stems from 
the charter for the public list. I, personally, don't remember what the 
allowable discussion range is for this particular list.

If it's wireless specific then we indeed have to do 
a much better job of keeping it on track. If it's a general topic list 
then I think we're doing fine here. Even if talking about porn if it comes 
to that, from a business model standpoint.

Make sense?

Anyone know what the list charter says? I 
wouldn't even know where to go look it up.

And for those that care to run off in a huff, shame 
on you. This is a FREE list. Your business is improved every day by 
those on this list. That's WISPA's main goal. If *we* think that a 
line of thought is bad for our industry it's our right, indeed responsibility, 
to do something about it. It's YOUR job to convince us we're wrong OR run 
for office and change the rules.

I personally know and have met, eyeball to eyeball, 
everyone on this board. I don't happen to agree with any of them all of 
the time. I do have great respect for them all. These are among the 
very top minds in this industry. The folks on the WISPA board understand 
more about the business, the finances, politics, market pressures etc. than 
anyone you are likely to find anywhere. More importantly for you, they/we, 
are accessible. You can pick up the phone and call Rick and ask him 
directly why he did what he did. You can call and talk to me about FCC 
issues. You can call Scriv and ask about policy issues.

Now get back to work you scurvy dogs 
lol
Marlon(509) 
982-2181 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and 
  Criticism
  
  
  To 
  All,
  
  I took over the moderation of the 
  wireless@wispa.org list about a year 
  and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a 
  variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job 
  and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms 
  and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 
  
  
  This position is not a fun one, I 
  need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties 
  for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. 
  Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. 
  Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest 
  messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I 
  read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not 
  feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how 
  profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation 
  duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I 
  was in error. Possibly.
  
  I have received a few complaints 
  about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill 
  thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on 
  that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so 
  deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, 
  but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision 
  that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to 
  continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in 
  error, feel free to contact me offlist. 
  
  
  Respectfully,
  
  
  Rick 
  Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet 
  Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482 
  Office
  260-307-4000 
  Cell
  260-918-4340 
  VoIP
  www.oibw.net
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Mac Dearman



Well - - all of you know I have an opinion thats not 
always humble, but I will share it all the same.

IMO - - I dont see a thing wrong with hosting such 
material IF thats what you want to do, but I must confess that discussing such 
hosting material on a WISPA list is not exactly kosher as we are trying to 
accomplish some rather extroidinary things with the Gov't. Such topics can not 
be helpful in these matters and thus - I agree with Brother Harnish's asking 
that particular topic go else where as it "may" stand the opportunity at a later 
date to be considered less than professional and detrimental to what we are 
trying accomplish. It is in a totally different ball field than any other "off 
topic" discussions that we have here from time to time. I would also hate to be 
meeting with Gov't officailas and one of tem ask me - - - so how is that porn 
service running for you? :-)

I also have an opinion for those of you who took 
such deep offense at Ricks comments - - - If you know Harnish then you know he 
had put thought into the matter before he asked the discussion be discontinued 
on list. He has never been a list "nazi" and such comments are offending and 
hurtful. I really think most of us (me included) ought to put a little more 
thought into what we are typing and re-read it before we hit send 
:-)

Later Gators,
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:30 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and 
  Criticism
  
  
  To 
  All,
  
  I took over the moderation of the 
  wireless@wispa.org list about a year 
  and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a 
  variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job 
  and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms 
  and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 
  
  
  This position is not a fun one, I 
  need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties 
  for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. 
  Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. 
  Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest 
  messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I 
  read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not 
  feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how 
  profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation 
  duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I 
  was in error. Possibly.
  
  I have received a few complaints 
  about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill 
  thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on 
  that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so 
  deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, 
  but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision 
  that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to 
  continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in 
  error, feel free to contact me offlist. 
  
  
  Respectfully,
  
  
  Rick 
  Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet 
  Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482 
  Office
  260-307-4000 
  Cell
  260-918-4340 
  VoIP
  www.oibw.net
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism

2006-03-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Matt LaRSEN  Marlon make good points - I'll try to keep quiet for a while. And Rick, you are doing a good job, thanks again.
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 11:26 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism
That seems reasonable Rick.

I think maybe part of the problem here stems from the charter for the public list. I, personally, don't remember what the allowable discussion range is for this particular list.

If it's wireless specific then we indeed have to do a much better job of keeping it on track. If it's a general topic list then I think we're doing fine here. Even if talking about porn if it comes to that, from a business model standpoint.

Make sense?

Anyone know what the list charter says? I wouldn't even know where to go look it up.

And for those that care to run off in a huff, shame on you. This is a FREE list. Your business is improved every day by those on this list. That's WISPA's main goal. If *we* think that a line of thought is bad for our industry it's our right, indeed responsibility, to do something about it. It's YOUR job to convince us we're wrong OR run for office and change the rules.

I personally know and have met, eyeball to eyeball, everyone on this board. I don't happen to agree with any of them all of the time. I do have great respect for them all. These are among the very top minds in this industry. The folks on the WISPA board understand more about the business, the finances, politics, market pressures etc. than anyone you are likely to find anywhere. More importantly for you, they/we, are accessible. You can pick up the phone and call Rick and ask him directly why he did what he did. You can call and talk to me about FCC issues. You can call Scriv and ask about policy issues.

Now get back to work you scurvy dogs lol
Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Rick Harnish 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Moderation Duties and Criticism


To All,

I took over the moderation of the wireless@wispa.org list about a year and one half ago. The previous moderator handed over the reigns for a variety of reasons but many of which were criticisms about how he did his job and the personal stress involved. I have received the same criticisms and have let them hit my thick skin as gracefully as I could. 

This position is not a fun one, I need to try and keep up with about 5 WISPA listservs as well as other duties for 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Tonight, I was about 75 messages behind when I found time to catch up. Alex’s post with the title, “New Revenue Stream” was one of the newest messages when I checked. I will admit, I wasn’t in the best mood when I read it. Knowing that this list is publicly monitored, I really did not feel it was the proper place to discuss hosting pornography and describing how profitable it could be. I try to be pretty liberal in my moderation duties, but I felt this one stepped over the line. Several of you feel I was in error. Possibly.

I have received a few complaints about my decision. This decision to moderate in no way harbored ill thoughts towards Alex Huppenthal. I would have responded the same way on that thread for any poster. I am disappointed he took my action so deeply to heart. Normally, I would not let a few complaints bother me, but in this case I am choosing to respond. While I stand by my decision that this was not proper content for this list, I will allow the thread to continue if the members feel it is important. If you feel I was in error, feel free to contact me offlist. 


Respectfully,


Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 






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