Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
We happen to be doing ABC configuration with 7 MHz channels, and no frequency reuse at any individual site (yet), so we just lucked out in not running into this problem. FYI, e2.0.2 is the latest and is on their web site. Not sure if it will make any difference for you. That translates to f03b00-v6.2.4.3MOTO on the SM and System_Release_e2.1_B28695_GUI_B3 on the AP. Dave On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Are you using the 65 degree sectors that ship with the 320? If so, 3 sectors would leave quite a gap, no? -Eric On 12/17/2010 10:00 AM, David Sovereen wrote: We happen to be doing ABC configuration with 7 MHz channels, and no frequency reuse at any individual site (yet), so we just lucked out in not running into this problem. FYI, e2.0.2 is the latest and is on their web site. Not sure if it will make any difference for you. That translates to f03b00-v6.2.4.3MOTO on the SM and System_Release_e2.1_B28695_GUI_B3 on the AP. Dave On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.netwrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net AolYahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
We are currently using the 3.5mhz channel. We are getting exactly what the link budget table says in the manual. 3.5mhz channel (75% downlink) will give you 13mb/s in MIMO B. Next modulation down is around 6mb/s, which is what most SM's link up at. -Eric On 12/17/2010 9:18 AM, Carl Shivers wrote: Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Yes, we are using their antenna, and you are correct that we do have massive gaps, currently. Because of the expense of the APs, we have not been deploying them in 360 degree fashion. We do a lot of 900 MHz and have been installing them where we need additional capacity. So if we have a loaded 900AP (these are already sectorized as that is the first step we take in adding capacity), we'll take a 320 AP sector and face it in the same direction as the loaded 900AP, and then convert customers onto it. Currently, 3 is the maximum number of APs we have on a single tower. Also, none of our APs are currently GPS-synced, but we our installations seem to be far enough apart and/or with enough downtilt, and we have been paying close attention to our frequency selections, that it hasn't been an issue. I've been waiting for Last Mile Gear's CTM-2 or was thinking about buying PacketFlux SyncInjectors, pending Forrest's comments. Dave On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: We are currently using the 3.5mhz channel. We are getting exactly what the link budget table says in the manual. 3.5mhz channel (75% downlink) will give you 13mb/s in MIMO B. Next modulation down is around 6mb/s, which is what most SM's link up at. -Eric On 12/17/2010 9:18 AM, Carl Shivers wrote: Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Ditto on the CTM-2. The CMM4's are big, bulky and not rack mount friendly. We only use them for GPS sync and power. The switch is stuck on a dusty shelf. -Eric On 12/17/2010 2:27 PM, David Sovereen wrote: Yes, we are using their antenna, and you are correct that we do have massive gaps, currently. Because of the expense of the APs, we have not been deploying them in 360 degree fashion. We do a lot of 900 MHz and have been installing them where we need additional capacity. So if we have a loaded 900AP (these are already sectorized as that is the first step we take in adding capacity), we'll take a 320 AP sector and face it in the same direction as the loaded 900AP, and then convert customers onto it. Currently, 3 is the maximum number of APs we have on a single tower. Also, none of our APs are currently GPS-synced, but we our installations seem to be far enough apart and/or with enough downtilt, and we have been paying close attention to our frequency selections, that it hasn't been an issue. I've been waiting for Last Mile Gear's CTM-2 or was thinking about buying PacketFlux SyncInjectors, pending Forrest's comments. Dave On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com wrote: We are currently using the 3.5mhz channel. We are getting exactly what the link budget table says in the manual. 3.5mhz channel (75% downlink) will give you 13mb/s in MIMO B. Next modulation down is around 6mb/s, which is what most SM's link up at. -Eric On 12/17/2010 9:18 AM, Carl Shivers wrote: Thanks for the info and the link to the .pdf. What kind of speed are you getting out of the 5 MHz channels? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Are your APs not GPS-synced? Dave On Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Of course they are. There is a good document published by Motorola on this very subject *http://tinyurl.com/22quxyu* I've been in contact with 2 other large operators with the exact same situation. They each moved to a ABCD channel plan as well. -Eric On 12/16/2010 4:48 PM, David Sovereen wrote: Are your APs not GPS-synced? Dave On Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com mailto:ericm...@gmail.com wrote: We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net mailto:cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Can you post what latency looks like when using 1400 byte packets at least 10 ever second? Thanks, - Matt On 12/16/2010 12:06 PM, David Sovereen wrote: The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
