Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless

2009-03-25 Thread Jack Weinberg
Rick,

The prime example is Earthlink's failure in most markets.  

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On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers
at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I
just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free
muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I
have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see
another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up
with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking
for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone?
Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless

2009-03-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Tell him to find any muni network that's not being tax payer subsidized.  I 
too would like to find out how anyone's getting that done.  So far I can't 
find any muni networks that are able to support themselves for any length of 
time

Ask him how much he's being told to expect to have to spend in mo over the 
next 5 to 10 years.

marlon

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 On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers
 at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I
 just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free
 muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I
 have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see
 another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up
 with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking
 for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone?
 Thanks!
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless

2009-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Wasn't there a state wide one that was planned for 5 years and flopped?  I
was thinking out west.

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2009/3/25 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com

 Tell him to find any muni network that's not being tax payer subsidized.  I
 too would like to find out how anyone's getting that done.  So far I can't
 find any muni networks that are able to support themselves for any length
 of
 time

 Ask him how much he's being told to expect to have to spend in mo over the
 next 5 to 10 years.

 marlon

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  On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers
  at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I
  just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free
  muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I
  have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see
  another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up
  with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking
  for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone?
  Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless

2009-03-24 Thread Josh Luthman
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9110120
http://www.slate.com/id/2174858/
http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2008/12/muni-wifi-fcc-free-wireless.ars

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:06 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers
 at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I
 just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free
 muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I
 have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see
 another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up
 with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking
 for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone?
 Thanks!
 -RickG



 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment

2006-08-28 Thread Matt Liotta

John Scrivner wrote:
I have not been contacted and really have never heard what you are 
talking about. Can you tell us more about what you are seeing and who 
is reporting this?


There doesn't seem to be anybody going on record yet, but there have 
been negative reports coming out of Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Diego, 
New Orleans, and Mountain View that I have personally heard from people 
working on the project.
I can agree with the most suited statement. I have no idea why a 
WISP would turn down a chance to be part of a muni project. In my home 
town the only muni project is my company's effort and we work well 
with the city government. Turning away from that chance is turning 
down free access to money, tower space and opportunity.


Acting as a consultant for another operator doesn't give you free access 
to money or tower space. It gives the other opportunity your expertise 
in exchange for money. Why help a competitor kill your business? For 
example, Earthlink has gone on record stating that plan to use their 
distribution network (Canopy) to sell T1 replacement services. That is 
in direct competition to any existing fixed wireless network from both a 
business as well as spectrum standpoint.
I do not know what the Atlanta RFP is. Who is involved? What is this 
opportunity? Who is ignoring you? I am sure others want to learn more 
about this too.
The Atlanta RFP is for muni wireless. Many major companies from ATT to 
Sprint and IBM to HP along with Earthlink are expecting to somehow be 
involved and/or bid. Without stating directly to who we are or are not 
talking to, I can say that we see this as a possible threat to our 
business. We certainly don't want to see another operator placing 
hundreds of Canopy and Tropos units throughout our market and selling 
competitive services to what we offer.


Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that running 
a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors make it 
out to be. Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a successful 
wireless network operator is a good thing for any of us. Unless of 
course one of our respective companies is actually operating part or all 
of the network.


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment

2006-08-28 Thread Sam Tetherow


Matt Liotta wrote:


Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that 
running a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors 
make it out to be. 
Go figure, you mean we really can't be replaced by slightly trained 
monkeys? ;)


Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a successful wireless 
network operator is a good thing for any of us. Unless of course one 
of our respective companies is actually operating part or all of the 
network.
I understand the sentiment, although it is not as threatening for us out 
in BFE, but I do see two benefits.


* It would help to portray wireless as an alternative to cable and DSL.  
My existing customer get this, but some new customer, especially coming 
from places that only have DSL and cable look at it as a last ditch 
alternative like satellite.
* It would take more business away from cable and dsl.  I don't say this 
in the 'screw the cableco/telco' sense, but mean it in a more diverse 
competition is better sense.  The less of a strangle hold that cable and 
telcos have on the internet business, the better off people are.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment

2006-08-28 Thread John Scrivner

Thanks for the clarifications. That all makes sense to me.

I can say that in some cases (not in your obviously) a muni-deployment 
can still be a network you own and operate. I have spoken to people in 
my town and in others who want a wireless network but do not want to own 
it, operate it, or compete with the local providers in any way. They all 
say they are willing to help when I talk to them. I guess my vision of 
muni is just different than many other people's idea. If you build it, 
own it and operate it then how is that a bad thing?


I know your particular Atlanta muni-network is a problem as they wish to 
compete with you. I am not seeing that in my town though. I see a town 
who likes to have my services available to them for better 
communications and cost savings.


I am just drawing attention to the fact that muni-wireless does not 
always have to be a bad thing for a WISP and in fact can be a good 
opportunity if they become part of the effort early on and stave off the 
competitive approach many communities have opted to take..

Scriv

Matt Liotta wrote:


John Scrivner wrote:

I have not been contacted and really have never heard what you are 
talking about. Can you tell us more about what you are seeing and who 
is reporting this?


There doesn't seem to be anybody going on record yet, but there have 
been negative reports coming out of Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Diego, 
New Orleans, and Mountain View that I have personally heard from 
people working on the project.


I can agree with the most suited statement. I have no idea why a 
WISP would turn down a chance to be part of a muni project. In my 
home town the only muni project is my company's effort and we work 
well with the city government. Turning away from that chance is 
turning down free access to money, tower space and opportunity.


Acting as a consultant for another operator doesn't give you free 
access to money or tower space. It gives the other opportunity your 
expertise in exchange for money. Why help a competitor kill your 
business? For example, Earthlink has gone on record stating that plan 
to use their distribution network (Canopy) to sell T1 replacement 
services. That is in direct competition to any existing fixed wireless 
network from both a business as well as spectrum standpoint.


I do not know what the Atlanta RFP is. Who is involved? What is this 
opportunity? Who is ignoring you? I am sure others want to learn more 
about this too.


The Atlanta RFP is for muni wireless. Many major companies from ATT 
to Sprint and IBM to HP along with Earthlink are expecting to somehow 
be involved and/or bid. Without stating directly to who we are or are 
not talking to, I can say that we see this as a possible threat to our 
business. We certainly don't want to see another operator placing 
hundreds of Canopy and Tropos units throughout our market and selling 
competitive services to what we offer.


Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that 
running a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors 
make it out to be. Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a 
successful wireless network operator is a good thing for any of us. 
Unless of course one of our respective companies is actually operating 
part or all of the network.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-24 Thread John Tully

At 07:34 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

John,

 When are we going to see some of the new CPE boards on the market?  I 
forgot their number :-)


Hello Mac,

I can't tell you the details - I wish I could.  There will be a new one 
announced and demonstrated at the MUM!


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At 06:53 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

John,

When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style 
configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;)


We have projects in design now, but we only announce details just before 
we are going into mass production -- and I don't have an estimate for 
that either!


John
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John Tully wrote:




What happened to the RB512's ??



Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional 
dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, the RB112 
may be a suitable alternative.


John
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On

 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet 
and  two

 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I
guess the
 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see 
at  the

 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more 
control  is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the 
provider  every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring 
stats  on

 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh --
  easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will 
enable   WISP

 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH 
systems.   You

 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
If ONLY someone would build my roaming wifi cpe!  It'll be THE next big 
thing.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless


Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business 
and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it 
greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni 
broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and 
service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis 
who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all 
of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe 
they will pay you to build their network for them?

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system 
for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for 
details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have 
an interest in wireless.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 02:43 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
I am glad to hear this. I am coming to the MUM in Dallas. I have already 
registered actually. I think Mac, Rick and Matt are all coming also. I 
look forward to seeing you guys again. Thanks for the update on mesh for 
Mikrotik coming soon.


Thanks John, also I hear that Allen Marsalis is coming!

Here are the detailed descriptions of the Mesh Hotspot System (MHS) 
presentations:

---
Large Hotspot Systems, MESH, and Solar Powered RouterBOARDs, by Brian 
Vargyas (Concourse Communication)


About the speaker:  Brian has been in the wireless Internet business for 
more than seven years and has a degree in electrical engineering.  He 
manages hotspot systems for Concourse Communications at major airports in 
the US and Canada (including Chicago O'Hare, Detroit, JFK, and a number of 
others).



Wireless roaming with WDS and MESH,  by Uldis Cernevskis (MikroTik)

About the speaker:  Uldis has been working as a wireless support specialist 
at MikroTik for six years.  He supports a number of customers that are 
installing wireless MESH systems.

---


Just in today, I have an update on the MUM!!!  Butch Evans will give a 
presenation on VPNs and selling VPN services to customers.

---
Application of VPN Technology with Mikrotik by Butch Evans

* PPtP vs IPSEC
* Selling VPN to business customers
* Using VPN to simplify network security

About the speaker:

Butch Evans (formerly of BPS Networks) has been an ISP since 1995. Butch 
used the Mikrotik RouterOS to build out a network that served several 
hundred high speed users.  Mikrotik RouterOS was an essential part of the 
network design, serving as firewall, QOS, VPN concentrator, APs and 
backbone routers.  Currently, Butch is working full time as a network 
consultant.  Butch has developed a training seminar for Mikrotik's 
RouterOS, which is taught 3-4 times per year across the US.

---

and details of another on bonding:
---
Bonding, Load Balancing, and Failover with MikroTik
Practical examples and configurations for:
- multiple DSL lines
- multiple Wireless interfaces
- multiple VLANs and EoIP tunnels

May 5th, 11AM - by MikroTik staff
---

John
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Cheers,
Scriv


John Tully wrote:


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) 
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to 
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will 
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - 
mum.mikrotik.com .


John
www.mikrotik.com

At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:

Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, 
business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit 
from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of 
muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our 
towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. 
Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would 
bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their 
networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them?

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless 
system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ 
for details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that 
have an interest in wireless.


-Matt



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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread chris cooper
Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? If I could add a
word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on both
link and service side are great also.

Thanks
Chris


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) 
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to 
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will 
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - 
mum.mikrotik.com .

John
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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:

Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?


Hello Chris,

You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two 
mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the 
price is something like $185 list together.


They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the 
MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.


John
www.mikrotik.com



 If I could add a
word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on both
link and service side are great also.

Thanks
Chris


Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more)
for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to
compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will
hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
mum.mikrotik.com .

John
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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread JNA
What happened to the RB512's ??

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
 
 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?
 
 Hello Chris,
 
 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the
 price is something like $185 list together.
 
 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.
 
 John
 www.mikrotik.com
 
 
   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully



What happened to the RB512's ??


Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional 
dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may 
be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the
 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread Travis Johnson

John,

When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style 
configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;)


Travis
Microserv

John Tully wrote:




What happened to the RB512's ??



Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the 
additional dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, 
the RB112 may be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet 
and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I 
guess the

 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see 
at the

 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider 
every

 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- 
easy

 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable 
WISP

 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH 
systems.  You

 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-23 Thread John Tully

At 06:53 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

John,

When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style 
configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;)


We have projects in design now, but we only announce details just before we 
are going into mass production -- and I don't have an estimate for that either!


John
www.mikrotik.com



Travis
Microserv

John Tully wrote:




What happened to the RB512's ??



Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional 
dollars for the full RB532.  For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may 
be a suitable alternative.


John
mum.mikrotik.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Tully
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

 At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
 Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system?

 Hello Chris,

 You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two
 mpci.  The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I 
guess the

 price is something like $185 list together.

 They will both be software upgradable.  The examples you will see at the
 MUM do not have the no config support.  This is in development now.

 John
 www.mikrotik.com


   If I could add a
 word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is
 better.  An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every
 option to inject control at every level.  Lots of monitoring stats on
 both
 link and service side are great also.
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
  Hello John,
  
  MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy
 to
  install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or
 more)
  for local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP
 to
  compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You
 will
  hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas -
  mum.mikrotik.com .
  
  John
  www.mikrotik.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread John Scrivner
Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, 
business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit 
from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of 
muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our 
towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. 
Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would 
bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their 
networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them?

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, 
GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless 
system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ 
for details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we 
(AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and 
will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe 
this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with 
munis that have an interest in wireless.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread Peter R.

http://localtechwire.com/article.cfm?u=13558
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread John Tully

Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for 
local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to compete 
better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will hear more 
about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com .


John
www.mikrotik.com

At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business 
and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it 
greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni 
broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and 
service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis 
who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all 
of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe 
they will pay you to build their network for them?

Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system 
for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for 
details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have 
an interest in wireless.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread Tom DeReggi

Congradulations Matt.
What you demonstrated is exactly the message that WISPs need to send to 
their community and Munis. That there is benefit to partner with your local 
WISP that already has coverage and backbones, instead of duplicating, 
competing and interfering with them.  No Provider will want to interfere 
with their own backbone provider, which incourages a long term cooperative 
relationship with the existing WISP partner for mutual benefit.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Muni wireless


I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system 
for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details 
on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have 
an interest in wireless.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread Matt Liotta
The real test for us will come when Atlanta releases its RFP, which is 
widely expected to be won by Earthlink.


-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Congradulations Matt.
What you demonstrated is exactly the message that WISPs need to send 
to their community and Munis. That there is benefit to partner with 
your local WISP that already has coverage and backbones, instead of 
duplicating, competing and interfering with them.  No Provider will 
want to interfere with their own backbone provider, which incourages a 
long term cooperative relationship with the existing WISP partner for 
mutual benefit.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Muni wireless


I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, 
GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless 
system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ 
for details on the announcement.


What I thought the list might find interesting is that we 
(AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and 
will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe 
this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with 
munis that have an interest in wireless.


-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-22 Thread Joe Laura
I tried to work with the City here but they wanted to do it all themselves.
Well, Im thinking by the progress they have made so far they might have
something worthwhile in the next few years, maybe. It reminds me of when I
first started my wireless business many years ago.
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
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- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:21 PM
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You are absolutely right John. I can't list all the cities we are doing
Public Safety projects for right now, but we are starting to light up the
city of Gilroy CA. A lot of dollars are being spent on projects in the name
of Public Safety, especially to allow Emergency Services to be able to
remotely access network resources. The next thing on the radar is providing
Internet access. If the WISP gets there early, he can be a part of the
solution. If the WISP isn't there, the city will go ahead and do it anyway.

John Thomas


-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 08:16 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents,
business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit
from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of
muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our
towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end.
Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would
bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their
networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them?
Scriv


Matt Liotta wrote:

 I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the
 government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome,
 GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless
 system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/
 for details on the announcement.

 What I thought the list might find interesting is that we
 (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and
 will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe
 this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with
 munis that have an interest in wireless.

 -Matt

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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-21 Thread Dylan Oliver
Congratulations, Matt. Any comments/suggestions for dealing with municipal governments? How does the process differ from deals with businesses?Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

2006-03-21 Thread Matt Liotta
In this case, GTS is the company who is dealing with the City of Rome 
and won the deal. We simply convinced the integrator that we were the 
best option for providing backhaul.


-Matt

Dylan Oliver wrote:

Congratulations, Matt. Any comments/suggestions for dealing with 
municipal governments? How does the process differ from deals with 
businesses?


Best,
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