Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I believe all of Trango's licensed equipment (6ghz, 11ghz, 18ghz, 23ghz) is the same price. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Moreover, 6 GHz hardware is my

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... So I guess satellite earth station minimum size requirements would really make a barrier

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom, Off the top of my head my guess is the difference is going to be much greater than 1* between 3' and 6' antennas. Probably two to three times that and yes, that does make a big difference. While the 11Ghz

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Brad, I would encourage you to find 5 cases where 11GHz secondary license holders had to upgrade dishes. From what I understand it hasn't happened more

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
to upgrade dishes Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Hello Daniel

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom... isn't putting a barrier to entry the point? No. Not when I'm

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I agree somewhat on the licensed gear needing to step it up a bit. Chuck refers to needing 100 MHz (a pair of 50 MHz channels) to do a licensed

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Shouldn't the standard for critical life safety infrastructure be a bit higher than that used to surf porn? If you've ever manned the phones during an outage

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I agree somewhat on the licensed gear needing to step it up a bit. Chuck refers to needing 100 MHz

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Brad Belton
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Brad, Your right... I think its only been available for 2 years or so... so I guess it could become more

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread lakeland
General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Hello Mike, Apples and oranges. You cannot compare UL best effort gear to carrier class licensed gear. Two different worlds...both clearly have their place. Chuck touches on this in another

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I've always liked the idea of allowing smaller antennas on systems that have ATPC. That would allow for much smaller fade margins. By using

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Hello Mike, Apples and oranges. You cannot compare UL best effort

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Hello Daniel, A license from the FCC is typically 10yrs on the frequencies we

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I agree somewhat on the licensed gear needing to step it up a bit. Chuck refers to needing 100 MHz (a pair of 50 MHz channels) to do a licensed link, and I've never seen

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Interesting as the guys at Micronet advised us not to consider secondary licenses. Why do it when a secondary license

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I didn't write the book. I read it. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Allthough I understand your

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I didn't write the book. I read it. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Interesting as the guys at Micronet advised us not to consider secondary licenses. Why do it when a secondary license could put you

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Actually. when comparing 5.x UL to 6G licensed, there is no functional difference in technology. There is NO reason a 6ghz radio can't be made as efficient as a Orthogon 5.x. Licensed

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Probably depends on who you are dealing with... :-) In a practical sense you shouldn't have to deploy 11GHz secondary as 18GHz fits that bill nicely. But in most

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Butch, Then, the music turned to noise You hit the nail right on the head, with your

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I can't understand why

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Brad Belton
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller antennas to be allowed

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz freq pair in some areas

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do 2-4ft

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Randy Cosby
11. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
We have an FCC attorney in Virginia do it for us. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Speaking

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... We have an FCC attorney in Virginia do it for us. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom... isn't putting a barrier to entry the point? No. Not when I'm the one that gets prevented from using the spectrum due to the barrier to entry. Telco's (like Chuck) use 6GHz all the time because

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Brad Belton
of mind. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... There is a ton of licensed 6

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom, Off the top of my head my guess is the difference is going to be much greater than 1* between 3' and 6' antennas. Probably two to three times

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Shouldn't the standard for critical life safety infrastructure be a bit higher than that used to surf porn? If you've ever manned the phones during an outage, you'd understand that internet access IS that critical. Either a customer is paying

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Shouldn't the standard for critical life safety infrastructure be a bit higher than that used to surf porn? If you've ever manned the phones during an outage, you'd understand

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
a T1 from Qwest if it is that critical. Of course the answer was no way can I afford something like that. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Travis Johnson
applications. Plus have all the perqs of license and exclusivity etc. - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FC

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Travis Johnson
be a bit higher than that used to surf porn? - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FC

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I believe all of Trango's licensed equipment (6ghz, 11ghz, 18ghz, 23ghz) is the same price. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Moreover, 6 GHz hardware is my most expensive stuff. I can get 11 GHz

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... We brought down E911 service on a tower 100ft away from our tower with a $150 Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-05 Thread Travis Johnson
: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... We brought down E911 service on a tower 100ft away from our tower with a $150 Mikrotik board... so that isn't much of a reason

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Butch, Then, the music turned to noise You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, and said, but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are also a very important part of broadband delivery.. The

Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...

2008-11-04 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, You act surprised and shocked that the FCC listened to the two biggest technology companies in the world, rather than a small group of WISP's. It's pretty much normal politics, even at the FCC. The person with the biggest checkbook always wins. ALWAYS. It would be nice to see things