Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-28 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Interesting analogies on both parts.

My grandmother was a farmer.  As I was growing up, one summer visiting my
grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would
not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course named
it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to
pork chops...  

There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free,
except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does!

We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone.  
Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as the
fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there is
no 911, at all.
To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and
working mines that entire communities are built upon.
We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored.

We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a
capitalistic one.  We are a Small and Disadvantaged business.  
We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required to
sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds.
We chose a different path.  Which, may or may not fly.  

We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of our
profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into technology
enrichment programs.
To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us to
expand our network, while performing a community service.

If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick.  
Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those
that receive it... 
We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that
will strengthen our communities.

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation.
While I enjoyed your analogy,  there are other ways the story could
go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the
hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy
the bigger, better hog?
Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One
very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never
appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact,
find that those that survive through hardship using their own means
become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be
wasted and squandered. Just my opinion.
-RickG

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote:
 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

 So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger
 than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also
 gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may
 have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts
 and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it
 that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,
 weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)
 because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to
 have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

 C




 Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6
Billion
 dollars


http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
 Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-28 Thread Blake Bowers
The public safety portion of this proposal should have been
pushed better if you wanted more support.  All we saw
was one company that is part of the state proposal saying
we need your support and no mention of the benefits to
our rural public safety groups.  That was in a blast message
that went to every Fire Chief in the state.

Fire Departments are a major force in politics.

And every county in Missouri has 911.  It maybe plain old
911, but they all have 911.  


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 


There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free,
except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does!





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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-28 Thread RickG
I wasnt out to create an argument thread. My last 2 cents: Free has
created an entitlement mentality in this country and now we cant pay
for it. Where is the money coming from? Can we, our children,  our
grandchildren afford Trillion dollar budget deficits? As far as free -
tell that to our country's founding fathers.
I apoligize, as I realize this list is not for politics. This is my
last comment on the subject.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM, St. Louis
Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Interesting analogies on both parts.

 My grandmother was a farmer.  As I was growing up, one summer visiting my
 grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would
 not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course named
 it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to
 pork chops...

 There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free,
 except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does!

 We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone.
 Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as the
 fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there is
 no 911, at all.
 To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and
 working mines that entire communities are built upon.
 We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored.

 We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a
 capitalistic one.  We are a Small and Disadvantaged business.
 We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required to
 sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds.
 We chose a different path.  Which, may or may not fly.

 We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of our
 profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into technology
 enrichment programs.
 To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us to
 expand our network, while performing a community service.

 If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick.
 Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen those
 that receive it...
 We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that
 will strengthen our communities.

 Victoria

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

 FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation.
 While I enjoyed your analogy,  there are other ways the story could
 go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the
 hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy
 the bigger, better hog?
 Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One
 very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never
 appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact,
 find that those that survive through hardship using their own means
 become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be
 wasted and squandered. Just my opinion.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote:
 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

 So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger
 than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also
 gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may
 have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts
 and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it
 that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,
 weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)
 because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to
 have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

 C




 Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6
 Billion
 dollars


 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
 Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
 SBA Certified WOSB











 
 
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-28 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I agree with your comments.  
That is why we felt it important to apply and try to persuade these monies
to be used responsibly, rather than squandered.

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:29 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

I wasnt out to create an argument thread. My last 2 cents: Free has
created an entitlement mentality in this country and now we cant pay
for it. Where is the money coming from? Can we, our children,  our
grandchildren afford Trillion dollar budget deficits? As far as free -
tell that to our country's founding fathers.
I apoligize, as I realize this list is not for politics. This is my
last comment on the subject.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM, St. Louis
Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Interesting analogies on both parts.

 My grandmother was a farmer.  As I was growing up, one summer visiting my
 grandmother, one of the sows birthed a pig that had no tail and she would
 not suckle it because of this fact, so I took care of it and of course
named
 it no tail...the next summer I returned and my gmom renamed the pig to
 pork chops...

 There is no analogy there, except to reiterate that no one rides for free,
 except in our BIP/BTOP proposal the Public Safety network does!

 We live in an area that sits within the New Madrid fault zone.
 Our areas are not only underserved, but unserved and remote, as well as
the
 fact that there is little 911 in our counties and in some counties there
is
 no 911, at all.
 To combine this problem with the fact that there are 467 abandoned and
 working mines that entire communities are built upon.
 We have another potential Katrina that is being ignored.

 We approached our application with a holistic approach rather than a
 capitalistic one.  We are a Small and Disadvantaged business.
 We were approached and offered the 20% matching funds, but were required
to
 sell 51% of our business if we excepted these funds.
 We chose a different path.  Which, may or may not fly.

 We chose to maintain ownership of our business and offered to put 30% of
our
 profits back into the communities that we propose to serve, into
technology
 enrichment programs.
 To us this would be a win-win situation for our communities and allow us
to
 expand our network, while performing a community service.

 If our application is approved, I would have to disagree with you Rick.
 Where you state Free is never appreciated and it will not strengthen
those
 that receive it...
 We believe that our ride for free Public Safety network is a case that
 will strengthen our communities.

 Victoria

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

 FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation.
 While I enjoyed your analogy,  there are other ways the story could
 go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the
 hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy
 the bigger, better hog?
 Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One
 very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never
 appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact,
 find that those that survive through hardship using their own means
 become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be
 wasted and squandered. Just my opinion.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote:
 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

 So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger
 than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also
 gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may
 have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts
 and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it
 that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,
 weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)
 because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to
 have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

 C




 Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6
 Billion
 dollars



http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


 Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com

Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-28 Thread Mike Hammett
But I have far more hogs than there are WISPs.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: ccoo...@intelliwave.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

 So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger
 than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also
 gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may
 have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts
 and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it
 that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,
 weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)
 because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to
 have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

 C




 Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 
 Billion
 dollars

 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
 Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-27 Thread RickG
It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
-RickG

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion
 dollars

 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
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 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-27 Thread chris cooper
It looks like stiff competition, especially at BTOP.  1230 rural
applications. I would guess that a good portion of the 830 applications
seeking joint evaluation are not willing to shoulder an RUS loan but are
instead seeking more grants than they can get at BIP.

Chris

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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:39 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for
BIP/BTOP

NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total
of $27.6 Billion dollars


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-seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-27 Thread ccooper
Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger  
than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also  
gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may  
have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts  
and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it  
that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,  
weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)  
because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to  
have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

C




Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion
 dollars

 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
 Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-27 Thread RickG
FD: I didnt say I was a farmer. I was just making an observation.
While I enjoyed your analogy,  there are other ways the story could
go. My Dad always said there is always someone bigger. Perhaps, the
hog in question gets slaughered for his value sooner in order to buy
the bigger, better hog?
Analogies aside, human history shows a different story altogether. One
very important rule in life - nobody rides for free. Free is never
appreciated and it will not strengthen those that receive it. I fact,
find that those that survive through hardship using their own means
become the stronger ones. I predict the majority of the funds will be
wasted and squandered. Just my opinion.
-RickG

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote:
 Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

 So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger
 than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also
 gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may
 have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts
 and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it
 that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,
 weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)
 because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to
 have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

 C




 Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion
 dollars

 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


 Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
 StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/
 ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/
 Rural Missouri Wireless Project.
 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP

2009-08-27 Thread Scottie Arnett

A fair description... but let's just say your Hog is the biggest, but a medium 
size hog has a GOLD tail, provided by an outside entity such as the 
government(never mind how underhandedly this may have came about). Now which 
hog goes to the market first?

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: ccoo...@intelliwave.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:06:08 -0400

Full Disclosure: I am also a farmer

So the hog that fights the most gets to eat the most. He gets bigger  
than his competitors.  Chances are, since he is the biggest he also  
gets the upper hand in any battles that take place in the lot.  He may  
have a better chance of expressing his genetics than his counterparts  
and in doing so get selected to breed all the females.  If he makes it  
that far he gets to postpone a date with the knife that his smaller,  
weaker competitors face.  When his time comes (as it does for us all)  
because he is so big, he brings the highest price.  But he gets to  
have more fun than his weaker buddies do along the way.

C




Quoting RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:

 It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The
 pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it!
 -RickG

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis
 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion
 dollars

 http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek
 -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/


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