Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Travis Johnson
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tony Weasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge A modern marketing mistake created this mess

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Scott Reed
and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:07:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Hi, The water at my

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Jeromie Reeves
, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Hi, The water at my home

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-11 Thread Travis Johnson
Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never be compelled to make good on their promise. Now

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread RickG
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread RickG
True, they are too separate points but are related in that it will take both commodity status and total necessity before it can be treated as such. On 11/9/05, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, RickG wrote: I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread George
Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and unplug all your landlines and turn off all the cell phones for 1 week and lets see what happens. George Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George wrote: The phone absolutely has saved lives. And people surely died that

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George wrote: Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and unplug all your landlines and turn off all the cell phones for 1 week and lets see what happens. OUCH! I am cold and hungry. Turning pale. My hair is falling out (prolly not related. :-) ). Any

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Charles Wu
10, 2005 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George wrote: Ok Butch. Lets take a test. Go to your office and your home and unplug all your landlines and turn off all the cell phones for 1 week and lets see

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Ray Jean
.. without too much Hassel.. My 2cents worth! Jean - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, George

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Ray Jean wrote: electricity.. So a candle, shooting a rabbit, ugh!.. but they are 2 deer about 25 feet from my kitchen window. Guess I could shoot one of them. :-) I maybe missing everyone's point.. but people will pay for what they get.. As long as you give them what

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? Charles, I don't often find myself

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Tom DeReggi wrote: TV, Phone, Internet

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? Charles, I don't often find myself in total disagreement with your statements. I am on this point, however. Well, maybe not

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Charles Wu
snip For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic survival in the city. Granted, these services have not always been available, but it is expected by all Americans that if they move somewhere, they can get those services. Most people would not survive without these

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread RickG
I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt you financially. On 11/9/05, Charles Wu

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge snip For example, electricity

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread A. Huppenthal
: RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge snip For example, electricity, gas and water are items that are needed for basic survival in the city. Granted, these services have not always been available, but it is expected by all Americans that if they move somewhere

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread George
Tom DeReggi wrote: TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never seen someone die from TV/Phone/Internet with drawal, although you never know it could happen. Tom. You should rethink what you just said

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Peter R.
Actually the internet is likes roads and education. Without it, you are at a definite economic disadvantage. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, RickG wrote: I agree with George. Internet access is practically a necessity now, especially for businesses. It wont be much longer and broadband will be expected in order to do any kind of business. It may not be for survival of your life, but certainly it will hurt you

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Tom DeReggi wrote: MAN...where do you find the time to write so much. :-) TV, Phone, Internet on the other hand are luxeries, things that people rely on, but would survive if they did without. I've never You stated very eloquently what I was trying to say. Thanks. seen

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-09 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George wrote: The phone absolutely has saved lives. And people surely died that didn't get to one fast enough or could find one. I think you are missing the point, George. In the right situation, you could save a life with a roll of scotch tape. That does not mean that

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Frank Muto
Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning the use of a network to access the Internet or other service. As far as I am concerned, this whole

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread George
Couple of thoughts on this. Seeing they are moving to fee based non profit rather than a community group that is being financed by themselves and their node hosts, Fine, let the them go to the school of hard nocks and figure out why our subs are not allowed to run servers on the network

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread John Scrivner
I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv Frank Muto wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread RickG
LOL Frank! Give'em their eggs over hard cause they'll never take it the easy way! I agree with your sediments! On 11/7/05, Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone. Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Peter R.
John Scrivner wrote: I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used to be. Yaykill me now. Scriv That's the model the RBOCs are comfortable with - since it makes them billions. REgards,

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Tony Weasler
A modern marketing mistake created this mess. A company started to sell a product that it was incapable of delivering: unlimited network access. Other companies followed suit and assumed that they would never be compelled to make good on their promise. Now, instead of admitting that they were

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone calls used

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
The worst thing that an ISP or WISP can do is to support these things. The reason, is that if providers create the perception that this can happen and can be controlled, (networks to be open for what ever legal purpose), than there is absolutely no reason that the government should not keep

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Charles Wu
The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity... The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas... The water company doesn't care what you do with your water... Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as it doesn't affect their network?

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread John Scrivner
--- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband

RE: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread Charles Wu
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any different? -Charles --- CWLab

Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge

2005-11-07 Thread RickG
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Electricity, Gas