Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
-- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
burstable. - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I l

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Chuck McCown
started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Nash
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: Wow starting with a full T1 we started

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
-- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Is there a central resource for this type of information? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-30 Thread John Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
ember 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing S

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Michael Baird
-- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT c

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Almost all is port 80 and the worst part is this rule comes after my all-p2p rule, so I'm missing at least that much in torrent traffic. :( Travis Microserv Jason Hodge wrote: Sounds like bit torrent. What

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.limelightnetworks.com/ It is online games and streaming

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread eje
-Original Message- From: Adam Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:43 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I oversubscribe 10/1. I try to keep it down to 30-35 subs per AP (mostly 900MHz=3mbps radios

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
, November 28, 2008 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Problem with 900 is the lack of spectrum. Most fast equipment uses 10 to 20MHz. In 900 there is only a total of 26MHz. The fastest solution on the market is to use

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Travis Johnson
CTED] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:10 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Problem with 900 is the lack of spectrum. Most fast equipment uses 10 to 20MHz. In 900 there is only a total of 26MHz.

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Sony 40 Bravia S and the console is connected via HDMI. Netlfix looks good to me. Sony even confirmed I have a defective TV (2 days old) and is getting someone to repair it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
Sony 40 Bravia S and the console is connected via HDMI. Netlfix looks good to me. Sony even confirmed I have a defective TV (2 days old) and is getting someone to repair it. 2mbps connection or what? Matt

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Brad Belton
, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Josh Luthman
was much worse. YMMV Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
Been watching it for a good while now. Doing a number of TV Episodes, and no issues on a 40 Inch LCD. Near DVD quality what it says at the highest resolution! Don't have ANY issues with it as of yet! What data rate are you seeing when streaming? Matt

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs
2.2 MEG + Starting getting 3-4meg easy. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-27 Thread Adam Goodman
, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
with them as long as you pay for what you actually use. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I was charging high usage

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-26 Thread support
- Original Message - From: "Drew Lentz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information The point that I was getting at when this thread started

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
much closer to 2 gigs than 3. It's gone up by a gig in the last 12 to 18 months though. marlon - Original Message - From: support To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Marlon, 6

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
Drew, I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got out of the southern United States a few times. As a matter of fact, I thought Vegas hung the moon! I am not sure where you hail from, but can you give us an idea of what your upstream cost are? That makes ALL

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Drew Lentz
Obviously upstream costs vary depending on where you are located. That isn't the whole issue here. At the last wisp we built out, we were accessing dual DS-3s at 2 central points and distributing them via 155Mbps radios throughout 6000 square miles. We found the lowest cost upstream provider at

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Drew, I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got out

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha $23/meg. Dude, you suck! Out here I pay 250/meg at one location and $140 per at another. That's JUST the bw. Tack on hundreds more for the pipe and it gets ugly fast. Century Tel

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Best practices tell you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for yesterday. Until the cold reality of cash flow

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Best practices tell you to build your network for your needs tomorrow

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread John Valenti
One nice feature of this Blockbuster device is that it seems to download and store the video, so it doesn't rely on streaming. Also, I looked at their website and it seems like the good videos cost $3.99 (not 1.99). The videos did seem to be more recent than the ones Netflix offers. On Nov

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - they both of their small ups and downs. If I have to pay for storage it would bother me but I got the feeling they'll provide you with a unit that does the storage. With my WISP hat on I would prefer people to store the data

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - they both of their small ups and downs. If I have to pay for storage it would bother

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
-- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - they both

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread RickG
area. I'll bet it's amazingly different. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information The point that I

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Unger
Drew, Being in favor of not limiting bandwidth may seem very altruistic but I'm not sure you are aware of the bandwidth/throughput limitations of todays wireless equipment used for last mile access. It's not a question of fitting the business model; it's a question of fitting today's current

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs capped

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month. Course me and my wife have been watching older TV shows over the weekend. ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Couple of things to mention here... I believe (not certain!) that Netflix will do lower quality streams based on your downstream connection. How low it will go I can't say. If a customer wants something they have to pay for it. The majority of customers go with the smallest package (something

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mac Dearman
, November 24, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
It is important to understand the business impact on this. If you can deliver these speeds, this also could be a method to enable upgrades of your service. I.e. Customer calls in and says their netflix video is bad, if they do not have at least 2-3 meg , and you offer that speed, upgrade

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I have several customer's that stream some kind of data (I've always assumed it was a patch or new game) from Valve's servers. These customers are all on one AP - I think they're a family of gamers. Each of them do a good 2meg+ during the night time or weekends. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread George Rogato
Since I moved out here onto the side of the coastal mountains in a little cabin, I have not bought cable or dish. I use my internet. One thing that does happen is I watch a lot less tv and really now only watch some movies, maybe one or two a week. Mostly I watch the news www.foxnews.com or

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Matt
You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread John Scrivner
Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown
OK, then buy a Canopy 430. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information rantThis is why we need gear capable of higher

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information OK, then buy a Canopy 430. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
rantThis is why we need gear capable of higher throughputs. Too many WISPs out there don't press their manufacturers. They'd rather just put up a couple Canopy radios and complain on a list about how they can't deliver X, Y, or Z to a customer. I have complained to manufacturers. WiMAX is

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread jp
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:31:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I will not purchase another AP unless it is able to deliver 40 mbit of throughput, end of story. Fortunately for me, they're out there... Mikrotik can (though uses a lot of spectrum). Deliberant is working on it. I believe the

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Unger
Mike, There are real physical limits to the amount of throughput that a radio channel (X MHz wide) can handle. Ranting at manufacturers isn't going to change this very much. You can only flow so much water through a pipe. Increase the pressure without increasing the pipe diameter and the pipe

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Todd Brandenburg
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I think we will eventually see people just leave constant streams open day and night. How many of you leave your TV on much of the time whether you are watching it or not? This throws off the over-subscription model which relates

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Mike, There are real physical limits to the amount of throughput that a radio channel (X MHz wide) can handle. Ranting at manufacturers isn't going to change this very much. You can only flow so

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Now we just need Mikrotik to add a category like all-p2p but called all-video so I can throttle that too. :) TV belongs on satellite. It's the best use

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I couldn't imagine how the logistics of this would work. What makes sense is if your customer uses more bandwidth, then they pay

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
Jack, You are absolutely right about this. In the first email you asked if that had been figured in to my thinking of open unfiltered access. It has. Spectrum is a valuable resource and there is only so much of it to go around in each of the allocated frequency sets that are available today. As

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
While there is progress to be made in spectrum efficiency there really is a limit of bits/Hz that can be transmitted and once we reach it the only option is to get more Hz. Hz are expensive both in terms of spectrum available (have to start buying once unlicensed is utilized) and equipment.

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I couldn't imagine how the logistics of this would work. What makes sense is if your customer uses more bandwidth, then they pay for it. Everything else is just an inefficient way to do the same. Lets

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
Charging a customer by their actually usage is the most 'real' method of billing. In fact the unlimited model is the artificial one that is used to entice people into buying. If the customer always fully utilized their $30/month worth of bandwidth you would go broke. That is a great point.

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't forget VoIP and it's unlimited calling plan versus ATT and Verizon's several cents per minute over the last several years. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Jack Unger wrote: Being in favor of not limiting bandwidth may seem very altruistic but I'm not sure you are aware of the bandwidth/throughput limitations of todays wireless equipment used for last mile access. It's not a question of fitting the business model; it's a

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
like 30 down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
ltaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
ly which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a s

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Matt
My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could be unlimited cell phone with ATT or Sprint. My water is unlimited. There is almost always 'fine print' in these unlimited plans. Unlimited long distance is almost always not completely unlimited. People want unlimited

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
The local Gas Co here has budget billing The bill changes ever 4 months. During the winter its low, and the summer its way high, why. Winter we use it to heat with, normally I would have 300-400 bills, for a few months, but the summer we only use it for cooking, so it would be 30-40 bucks!

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
This is the statement that got me: One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know this is coming and should have planned for it. Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Yep. And I would agree there. I also think, WISPs, and even cable cos have the issue that the technology will limit their ability to take this increase rapidly. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Mike Hammett wrote: The billing

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Mike Hammett wrote: The billing model is irrelevant if the gear can't do it in the first place. You could charge $10/megabyte transferred and it would be meaningless if you can't deliver what

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
sigh We've also started getting a lot of calls from our xbox360 subs. They have trouble getting or staying connected. Me thinks xbox 360 sucks! NO calls from playstation or wii customers. Only xbox 360. I hate ms. marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I have complaints from both Xbox 360 and PS3. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information sigh We've also started getting a lot of calls from

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
Best practices tell you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for yesterday. Until the cold reality of cash flow and running a profitable business smacks you right in the face and then you're stuck trying to keep yesterday's network running as long as possible...

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. Ok, so you have 20 people on one AP pulling 2Meg each which is 40 meg stream. If

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
are building out our network. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I think

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Where has the innovation in the last few years gone?/rant How many in this industry bitch and moan over the cost of gear? How many would purchase an AP at under $200 and STILL think that's too high? How many in this industry are willing to purchase

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I deliver 100 mbps wholesale to many rural areas for $3-4K/month type of figure. That includes transport. And stastically, you can oversub it, even with streaming content. You are never going to have all 20 streaming movies all at the same time. I

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