RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Brian,

Take a look at this, it may be a more appropriate solution for what you are
looking to do.

http://www.enable-it.net/820.html 


Faisal Imtiaz
SnappyDSL.net

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could
wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on 
 the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread Rick Smith
Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as
Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Whigham
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).

But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.

Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).

You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the
customer through these issues over the phone.

Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in
over the phone. :-)

Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted
lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
 could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building 
 on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread Brad Belton
Hey Rick!

I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the
status of that order placed and paid for April 26th.  Can you give me an
update?

Thanks,

Brad



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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as
Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. 

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).

But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.

Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).

You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the
customer through these issues over the phone.

Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in
over the phone. :-)

Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted
lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
 could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building 
 on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread Brad Belton
Gotcha!  No problem.  Just sent you a reply off list.

Thanks,

Brad

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Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. 

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Hey Rick!

I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on
the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th.  Can you give
me an update?

Thanks,

Brad



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Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the
maid plugs in the vacuum. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Whigham
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).

But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.

Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).

You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the
customer through these issues over the phone.

Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in
over the phone. :-)

Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted
lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
 could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building 
 on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread Rick Smith
Hey now...just cause we're smarter... 

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Don't be beating up on my Yankee boy Rickster now Brad :)

JohnnyO

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Gotcha!  No problem.  Just sent you a reply off list.

Thanks,

Brad

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:57 AM
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Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Hey Rick!

I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on
the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th.  Can you give
me an update?

Thanks,

Brad



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Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the
maid plugs in the vacuum. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Whigham
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).

But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.

Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).

You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the
customer through these issues over the phone.

Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in
over the phone. :-)

Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted
lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
 could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building 
 on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread JohnnyO
Don't be beating up on my Yankee boy Rickster now Brad :)

JohnnyO

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Gotcha!  No problem.  Just sent you a reply off list.

Thanks,

Brad

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Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Hey Rick!

I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on
the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th.  Can you give
me an update?

Thanks,

Brad



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Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the
maid plugs in the vacuum. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Whigham
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).

But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.

Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).

You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the
customer through these issues over the phone.

Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in
over the phone. :-)

Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted
lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I
 could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which
 one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of
 course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
 two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.

 Good luck,
jack

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

 http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

 http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

 I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building
 on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
 I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
 Any thoughts?

 Brian



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Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-11 Thread George Rogato
Ill second Johnny's sentiment. I've used those things and they work 
great for some stuff, until you have to tell the customer to reboot, 
reboot, or they just stop working.

It's better to find another option if at all possible.
Unless your going to use the good stuff that Tom DeReggi uses, telkonet.

George

JohnnyO wrote:

Do yourself a favor - Install 2 CB3s and bridge the 2 locations. I've
run into tons of headaches trying to use these devices. I'd doubt you'd
even need external antennas.

JohnnyO

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Subject: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet


http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on 
the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.

I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
Any thoughts?

Brian



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RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-10 Thread JohnnyO
Do yourself a favor - Install 2 CB3s and bridge the 2 locations. I've
run into tons of headaches trying to use these devices. I'd doubt you'd
even need external antennas.

JohnnyO

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Subject: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet


http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on 
the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.
I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
Any thoughts?

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-10 Thread Jack Unger

Brian,

I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) 
about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you 
have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings 
are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.


Good luck,
   jack

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on 
the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.

I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
Any thoughts?

Brian



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Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-10 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.


Jack Unger wrote:


Brian,

I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which 
one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.


Good luck,
   jack

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on 
the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.

I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
Any thoughts?

Brian





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Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet

2006-05-10 Thread Brian Whigham

Brian R.
I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO.  They are nifty 
devices.  I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model).


But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a 
good idea.  I have had problems with having to reset both devices 
(primarily on the uplink end).  If you're not there to reset 
(unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain.  Saves $ but makes you look bad.  
Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links 
(maybe less).  I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my 
neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset.  I'm in a 
tri-plex and there is one unit between us.  Link quality depended on 
what jack I used.  The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool).  
You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned.  But, how 
much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the 
customer through these issues over the phone.


Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in 
over the phone. :-)


Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers.

Luck,
Brian W

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I 
could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet.


Jack Unger wrote:


Brian,

I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which 
one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of 
course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your 
two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not.


Good luck,
   jack

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php

http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv

I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building 
on the property.  Distance is 6-700 feet.

I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices.
Any thoughts?

Brian






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