Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Sounds like it to me but taxation without representation has been accepted for years. Any progressive tax system (like the US) with different rates for different incomes is taxation without representation. Governments can do whatever they want unless there's a sufficient number of objectors to revolt. Paul C Diem [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
On top of that, the building probably has a higher tax rate due to it not being a residence therefore not qualifying for housing credits. Needless to say that is the fact most places if not many of us would be able to cast votes in many locations. As a business owner your only chance of being heard is direct connection with those in the tax base decision. City council or County council have meetings and you'll need to get on the docket. If you can get that done you will have a greater input into the process over a single vote. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Steve Barnes wrote: On top of that, the building probably has a higher tax rate due to it not being a residence therefore not qualifying for housing credits. Needless to say that is the fact most places if not many of us would be able to cast votes in many locations. As a business owner your only chance of being heard is direct connection with those in the tax base decision. City council or County council have meetings and you'll need to get on the docket. If you can get that done you will have a greater input into the process over a single vote. I have to agree with this. In my little town the city admin and council were going to pass a new rain tax by creating a stormwater management utility. (yes, managing rainwater and run-off). The business and commercial land owners were going to take it in the shorts in a big way so they got together, hired a lawyer and threatened to sue the City for this BS. The city listened, and while the stormwater utility is going to be created, it is a heck of lot less smaller and less costly than it would have been had the business owners not stepped up. The other thing that works is to take a council person to lunch (you go dutch) and talk to him/her about what your business does for the community and why these tax proposals are making you look elsewhere for further development. ryan Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
Similarly, how do I represent myself on the death/inheritance tax situation when that tax affects me? On 7/28/08 9:43 AM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the country, or just here. We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we have to pay on the building. Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes
I ran into something vaguely similar in frustration level in two nearby towns. Both of them start with declaring that the city has sufficient competitive communications infrastructure and that the purpose of the regulations are to prevent further unsightly development. It defines anything with an antenna on it as a tower and limits all antenna heights to under 30 feet from the ground. Further, it prohibits all commercial communications equipment from being placed anywhere except attached to a commercially zoned building. Further, it defines all data paths, be it wireless, wired, above, or below ground, to be the property of the city, and you will pay a tax for the use of them, if you are a commercial enterprise. They actually intended to prevent CPE antennas, but I explained that OTARD would supercede them. Basically, if you want ot put an access point anywhere in the city, where people connect to it for pay, you must get a permit, and that permit is subject to an engineering review, obtained by the city at your expense, and that permits are subject to a city council meeting, where any objection from anyone will be cause to turn you down.Further, you're expected to pay a fee per block for use of the city's data paths. I attended the city council meeting before they voted on this and explained to them that this is just squashing business. Anyway, they passed it despite objection because there was a small group of citizens who saw this as the key to preventing cellular towers from being built within the city limits. So, rather than building the towers in town, they built the towers just outside the edge of town, right on the view horizons! The towers built at the edge of town are far more unsightly than what was to be built in town. I have been requested repeatedly to move into both towns and deploy within the city limits, as there's no competitive wireless service in town, but it would be pointless. Each has one employee of a competitor and they need merely say I object and nothing I can do will ever permit me to build... not to mention, the fees required just to get to point where I can request and be turned down are around $2000 to the city. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes Hi, Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone else have similar experiences? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
