Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi
Answers inline... On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: My understanding was they were using standard Wifi Chipsets, but provided their own TDD mac. Similar to the concept of Alvarion VL, that uses Atheros chipset, with their own proprietary MAC. Do you mean the traditional Alvarion VL hardware or the new cheap stuff ones ? I'm pretty sure RadWin was the first to do this to accomplish immulated Full Duplex, with a single half-duplex designed chipset. Hummm, a single half-duplex instead of two half-duplex ones like nstreme dual. This was way before, all the recent trend SoftwareTDD packages. Which do you think is closer to the RadWin design: Karlnet, Mikrotik nstreme, Ubiquiti AirMax or none of the above ? The units are also the same as the equivellent Ceragon models. So there is some intellectual property that was licensed or oem'ed to the other, to make that viable. Yes, Ceragon representatives confirm that they are indeed OEM'ing RAD/Radwin. Outside of that, I cant help. But thought I'd ask. What testing tools are you using to perform RFC-2544 performance testing ? Agilent FrameScope Pro, but looking forward to less expensive tools. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi
Do you mean the traditional Alvarion VL hardware or the new cheap stuff ones ? The expensive Alvarian VL uses a standard Atheros Chipset. But Alvarion has its own MAC, which is the secret to its more robust offering. Which do you think is closer to the RadWin design: Karlnet, Mikrotik nstreme, Ubiquiti AirMax or none of the above ? None of the above. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi Answers inline... On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: My understanding was they were using standard Wifi Chipsets, but provided their own TDD mac. Similar to the concept of Alvarion VL, that uses Atheros chipset, with their own proprietary MAC. Do you mean the traditional Alvarion VL hardware or the new cheap stuff ones ? I'm pretty sure RadWin was the first to do this to accomplish immulated Full Duplex, with a single half-duplex designed chipset. Hummm, a single half-duplex instead of two half-duplex ones like nstreme dual. This was way before, all the recent trend SoftwareTDD packages. Which do you think is closer to the RadWin design: Karlnet, Mikrotik nstreme, Ubiquiti AirMax or none of the above ? The units are also the same as the equivellent Ceragon models. So there is some intellectual property that was licensed or oem'ed to the other, to make that viable. Yes, Ceragon representatives confirm that they are indeed OEM'ing RAD/Radwin. Outside of that, I cant help. But thought I'd ask. What testing tools are you using to perform RFC-2544 performance testing ? Agilent FrameScope Pro, but looking forward to less expensive tools. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi
My understanding was they were using standard Wifi Chipsets, but provided their own TDD mac. Similar to the concept of Alvarion VL, that uses Atheros chipset, with their own proprietary MAC. I'm pretty sure RadWin was the first to do this to accomplish immulated Full Duplex, with a single half-duplex designed chipset. This was way before, all the recent trend SoftwareTDD packages. The units are also the same as the equivellent Ceragon models. So there is some intellectual property that was licensed or oem'ed to the other, to make that viable. Outside of that, I cant help. But thought I'd ask. What testing tools are you using to perform RFC-2544 performance testing ? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: [WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi I'm trying to figure out what's under the hood of Radwin Winlink-1000 / RAD AirMux-200 and the MIMO model Radwin-2000 / RAD AirMux-400, in order to better understand what traffic patterns may or may not be suited to these radios. Although costly backhaul vendors (Redline, Motorola) keep telling me that RAD/Radwin are Wi-Fi based, my testing of them insist on telling me otherwise... for instance, AirMux-200 pass with flying colors thru RFC-2544 performance testing with maximum performance (18 Mbps) even for 64 byte frames (27 kpps), which is a very good pps rate compared to the 2kpps of a Ubiquiti Nanostation (non-M). Data rates are indeed similar comparing AirMux-200 to 802.11a, although Radwin tops at 48 Mbps air rate, not 54 Mbps; the MIMO model have data rates that look very much like the MCS8-15 802.11n data rates, suggesting that there are indeed some Wi-Fi heritage in the product, no matter what the tests say. Any ideas on what is going down to the bit level ? Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
