Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I'm not sure how many of your are on the NANOG list, but there's a very interesting thread going on about RIP vs other routing protocols. Figured some people may want to read this. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg26990.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:21 PM, RickG wrote: One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Blake, thanks for passing this on. It appears to be split on whether they would use RIP or not. Of course, it really depends on a number of factors with size being one of those. My network is relatively small and I just use RIP to keep the static routes clean. I could see updating to another protocol one day. Otherwise, it's still running clean with zero routing issues even after all the summer upgrades to dozens of towers! Thanks again! -RickG On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: I'm not sure how many of your are on the NANOG list, but there's a very interesting thread going on about RIP vs other routing protocols. Figured some people may want to read this. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg26990.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:21 PM, RickG wrote: One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. It depends on how much testing Mikrotik is doing on RIP. I've had bizarre problems with RIP on newer Cisco IOS releases, and it seems is not testing RIP anymore... it's up to the poor soul still using RIP on Cisco gear to catch these bugs. You told us you replaced RIP for BGP; that's a good fast call, because BGP is similar to RIP in many more ways than a link-state protocol like OSPF. But in the long run, you should consider whether the link is stable or not and move either to a link-sate protocol (Only OSPF is available in Mikrotik these days, may be they implement IS-IS in the future), or to a more unstable-suited protocol like MME. At least for the topology part, i.e., how to get to that router. As for the routes themselves, IBGP with a route-reflector running on top of (OSPF + MME + RIP) is the way to scale the network up. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP should work just fine, however, there are things that need to occur and work for RIP to work. Same thing with OSPF. So what looks like a RIP issue can actually be a multi-cast issue, or some other configuration issue that may go unnoticed. Something could change, etc. So that's the issue you have. Too many times people will say its an OSPF issue, or RIP issue. When they never troubleshoot why the protocol is acting the way it is. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). Jeff ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3101 - Release Date: 09/02/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Thus my question... - Original Message - From: L. Aaron Kaplan To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Why not! Point of a routing protocol! J Regardless, RIP is outdated, and if possible you should work on moving off of that! --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr mailto:jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail system with over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I another guy wrote a series of batch files apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a directory update app that worked. That was fun. Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who understand us older guys and our older protocols. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. Ok, RIP works, and is stable if it is left alone. No routing loops, so backup routes. As long as someone does not decide to audit your network you should be ok. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
If I knew it would fix it I might, but I have no desire to pay for upgrades on otherwise working APs when no-one has said it would work fine in 2.9 on my RB230s. 3.x right now is not an upgrade path I am willing to take because it breaks my current provisioning scheme and I have not had the time or good enough reason to rework my entire provisioning system. As it stands right now I'll just static route it all. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 13:57 -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote: Speaking of OSPF, I've tried running it several times and sections of my network seem to disappear from time to time. Mostly notably old RB230s running MT 2.8. Anyone have any suggestionns? Putting on my supp...@mikrotik.com hat... Upgrade? /Putting on my supp...@mikrotik.com hat... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 13:57 -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote: Speaking of OSPF, I've tried running it several times and sections of my network seem to disappear from time to time. Mostly notably old RB230s running MT 2.8. Anyone have any suggestionns? Putting on my supp...@mikrotik.com hat... Upgrade? /Putting on my supp...@mikrotik.com hat... -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Is the slowness on older routers? Do you have any that are the AH boards that are more than 400 MHz? Have you watched the processor from before RIP to after? Could be that the updates are overwhelming the older boards. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP My network is currently mostly WRAP boards running StarOS. As I do maintenence, repairs, or expand new towers, I am adding Routerboards running MT. I turned up a new Mikrotik Firewall several weeks ago. The real reason for my question is that we turn on RIP several weeks ago and the network seems slower. -RickG On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if you can. If you are integrating a legacy network that is already running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic routing technologies were created. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Yeah, about the only thing we run into where we need it is with old Nortel gear. RIP RIP 1,2,3. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Do you use anything else (Cisco, Mikrotik, StarOS)? You might be able to translate OSPF to the RIP where needed, or don't route the legacy stuff and put something before it that does it. I also second, third, or fourth (don't know how many people chimed it as of yet) OSPF. There are others (BGP, IGRP, EIGRP) that have benefits as well, but with most networks, OSPF would suffice. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:19 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Yeah, about the only thing we run into where we need it is with old Nortel gear. RIP RIP 1,2,3. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Not so sure about the experimental statement. I don't have a mesh network. I have about 1000 radios in the air and it's OLSR. As a matter of fact we're getting ready to take down what OSPF we have pretty soon. Rock solid. George Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 22:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I will see your OSPF and raise it with an OLSR OLSR is designed for mesh networks. It doesn't really apply to this particular question. Not to mention, OLSR is still pretty experimental. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Speaking of OSPF, I've tried running it several times and sections of my network seem to disappear from time to time. Mostly notably old RB230s running MT 2.8. Anyone have any suggestionns? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
BGP isn't that hard to get working. I am using private ASNs for sites with bgp. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:57:48PM -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote: Speaking of OSPF, I've tried running it several times and sections of my network seem to disappear from time to time. Mostly notably old RB230s running MT 2.8. Anyone have any suggestionns? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
My network is currently mostly WRAP boards running StarOS. As I do maintenence, repairs, or expand new towers, I am adding Routerboards running MT. I turned up a new Mikrotik Firewall several weeks ago. The real reason for my question is that we turn on RIP several weeks ago and the network seems slower. -RickG On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if you can. If you are integrating a legacy network that is already running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic routing technologies were created. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
A routing protocol like RIP should not make your network slower (or faster). Although if I remember correctly, RIP does send out frequent network updates, even if nothing changes. So I guess it's possible if you have a lot of RIP devices all sending out updates, it could be creating some traffic that would cause things to be slower. I would be checking more with the new firewall you just installed to make sure everything is working correctly with it. Travis RickG wrote: My network is currently mostly WRAP boards running StarOS. As I do maintenence, repairs, or expand new towers, I am adding Routerboards running MT. I turned up a new Mikrotik Firewall several weeks ago. The real reason for my question is that we turn on RIP several weeks ago and the network seems slower. -RickG On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if you can. If you are integrating a legacy network that is already running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic routing technologies were created. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
OSPF is by far superior I think... On 12/19/08, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
I will see your OSPF and raise it with an OLSR Actually we also have some ospf. George Josh Luthman wrote: OSPF is by far superior I think... On 12/19/08, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
Good to talk with legacy products. For a new network use OSPF. /Eje --Original Message-- From: RickG Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP Sent: Dec 18, 2008 23:13 Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 22:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I will see your OSPF and raise it with an OLSR OLSR is designed for mesh networks. It doesn't really apply to this particular question. Not to mention, OLSR is still pretty experimental. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:13 -0500, RickG wrote: Anyone using RIP? Thoughts? If you wish to build a NEW dynamic routing based network, use OSPF if you can. If you are integrating a legacy network that is already running RIP, then it works, but there's a reason that NEW dynamic routing technologies were created. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato.I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalitiesas the world is with multiple people personalities.I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survivebased on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of itsoriginal cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward.Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all.For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realisticbusiness plan and reachingits goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Navini, which has its own share of problems, for starters, dont believe everything their website tells you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato.I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalitiesas the world is with multiple people personalities.I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survivebased on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of itsoriginal cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward.Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all.For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realisticbusiness plan and reachingits goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Anyone think Skypilot will be RIP? Tom DeReggi wrote: To my knowledge just SkyPilot. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Navini, which has its own share of problems, for starters, dont believe everything their website tells you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato.I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalitiesas the world is with multiple people personalities.I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survivebased on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of itsoriginal cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward.Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all.For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realisticbusiness plan and reachingits goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
and 15 grand a pop. Would have never made it underneath their pricing model. Also- their first version wasnt a beam forming switch. On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:26:23 -0600, Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ya, they kind of resembled a billboard if you ask me. Serious windload. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Weren't they super expensive stuff? Were they big? G.Villarini wrote: Another one bytes the dust . http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Weren't they super expensive stuff? Were they big? G.Villarini wrote: Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
