Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Jon We have been using Intel's/HP Carrier Server for this type of App. Its basically a 2U NEBS compliant Server. Its built by Intel, has 2 Xeon CPUS, 2 Intel GBE and PCI X and PCI E expansion slots, Dual AC or DC Power and more Very robust and reliable Check out ebay for great deals on them http://cgi.ebay.com/TLPD0201-CARRIER-GRADE-SERVER-TIGPR2U-DC-POWER_W0QQitemZ190377918680QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item2c536880d8#ht_2597wt_1165 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 3:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Oh, I'm still a believer in Cisco for the edge :-) Although I'm looking at Juniper for the next upgrade. MX80s or MX240s if the MX80 isn't out by then. The problem I have is we are upgrading a couple of backhaul rings to licensed links and I'm supposed to make sure they can pass 200Mbps of traffic as we want to use it to feed FTTH. I'd use Cisco 3550s except they don't support IPv6 or VPLS and both are hot stuff these days. My current scheme of 3550s with RB450Gs handling IPv6 and other special services adds a bit too much complexity for my liking. Got a quote back from Ciena on some LE-311v (switch that does VPLS/MPLS pseudowire/PBB-TE. Clearwire uses them as their tower switches) and I'm still reeling from the sticker shock. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, Travis). Realtek and Linux typically go together like fire and water. Having said that, I believe the rb44 (non gigabit) is Realtek. The admin station at the office has it (makes it easier plugged directly into a few devices at once and this network and that) and I can double check tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Just seen a WISP here over the weekend show me his new core router. Core 2 Duo in a rackmount 4U case with 5 PCI network cards and Solid State Hard Drive. And 2 gigs of RAM. I think the Solid State Hard Drive is whats gonna make that thing last forever. As long as he doesn't have a power supply failure but that can be replaced fairly quickly without needing to re-install the system. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Personally, I would be looking at an Intel Core2Duo or higher system. There are many for sale on ebay in 1u cases. Something like item #170451664096 would be perfect... I'm sure there are many other choices on ebay, this was just the first one that came up. Travis Jon Auer wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=superm icro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
We get Dell 1U Quad Core boxes, install flash drives and Intel NICs and these are fine. We can easily do 500Mbps Mikrotik speed tests over a PPTP link across two Bridgewave links. All for around $1000. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
This is a good find too http://cgi.ebay.com/Network-Engines-NS6400-Firewall-Win-Server-2003-NAR5 060_W0QQitemZ300400695366QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item 45f146d846#ht_3290wt_1165 2 FE 4 GE The NS6400 is a P4 2.8 ghz based appliance $199 not bad Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Personally, I would be looking at an Intel Core2Duo or higher system. There are many for sale on ebay in 1u cases. Something like item #170451664096 would be perfect... I'm sure there are many other choices on ebay, this was just the first one that came up. Travis Jon Auer wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=su permicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Don't think the SSDs make any difference unless for some weird reason you are running the OS from it! For web caching it works so much better. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Just seen a WISP here over the weekend show me his new core router. Core 2 Duo in a rackmount 4U case with 5 PCI network cards and Solid State Hard Drive. And 2 gigs of RAM. I think the Solid State Hard Drive is whats gonna make that thing last forever. As long as he doesn't have a power supply failure but that can be replaced fairly quickly without needing to re-install the system. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Personally, I would be looking at an Intel Core2Duo or higher system. There are many for sale on ebay in 1u cases. Something like item #170451664096 would be perfect... I'm sure there are many other choices on ebay, this was just the first one that came up. Travis Jon Auer wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=su perm icro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Philip - Josh, Yah, we tried that before and weren’t able to get it to work or work consistently. That was v2.x...haven't tried a UPS using the serial port with v3.x. When a RouterBoard or x86 based MikroTik has a USB port it always seems to work well with the APC brand UPS. APC provides a RJ45 to USB cable with most all their desktop and mid-size UPSs. It think the APC serial cable has to be special ordered. Maybe someone has the APC pin-out configuration they can share and I'll try making a cable. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? APC Makes Serial cables for their UPSs. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I monitor my APC ups with a Smart Slot Card. Don't know why anyone would ever use USB, there's so much more you can do with the smart slot. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
you can get rid of the hard drive with a flash IDE form Eje http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=DOM-128eq=Tp= No moving parts Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? I posted this to Butch's MT list too. To answer a few questions. It is a full P4, not Celeron. I forgot to mention a few things that come to mind. I am using it as DNS server and redirecting(via NAT) all DNS activity through the MT to use the MT DNS cache. I am not using web proxy. At the moment it has a Prizm card for wireless customers(10 total), but I am getting rid of that and going to a BulletM2HP. I am needing 1 of the 4 ports for this. I would like to keep these below $250. I can buy regular x86 much more powerful than this for less money. The reason for trying to go to routerboards is to have standbys ready to go with minimal configuration after copying configs over and setting them up. The other reason is to get rid of the mechanical component of the hard drive...a mistake I made from the beginning. The last reason is to cover all the separate things that can go wrong in an X86 compared to a routerboard. Thanks for all the replies and I am evaluating all of them. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0500 493 only has 128M RAM. Might want a little more. RB800 only has 3 ports, but supports the new RB816 for a total of 19 ports and has a little more horsepower than the 4xxx cards. RB1000 has 4 ports and more horsepower, but I don't think it is expandable. can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
We have sites with the APC smart slots where we have the room for a larger UPS. We include a basic APC 500 UPS or larger with every circuit we install. Our MRR entry point for a single tenant location is $329.95 a month. It's nice to know when a client site loses power, so that when we do get a down notice we're not scrambling to contact the client and find out what is wrong. We're definitely not your typical WISP as we prefer to deploy as few of radios as possible and instead put as many clients on one radio as we safely can. Because the UL spectrum is becoming nearly unusable here in DFW our focus has been on high capacity Part101 links targeting the 10MB to 1GB+ market. Multi-Interface RouterBoards have been great for us in places where we have limited space and power to work with. Unfortunately there are few RouterBoards that have a USB port. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? I monitor my APC ups with a Smart Slot Card. Don't know why anyone would ever use USB, there's so much more you can do with the smart slot. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
The pinout is easily available online. Very easy. It's used so often and cussed at so much for being non-rs232 On 3/7/10, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Why less than 10%? As long as peak is 75% or so you generally won't get significant improvement in performance as the processor is not always busy. Certainly anything less than 50% means it is waiting for data more than it is processing it. Travis Johnson wrote: What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Hi, Latency is king. We do everything we can in our network to optimize latency. A router running at 50% CPU has a much higher chance of having to delay a packet than a router running at 10%. You also don't have any headroom if a large spike in traffic comes through and you are already running at 75%. What if you are running at 75% and need to start a torch session to track down traffic? That router is now at 100% CPU (even just for a short period of time). This creates latency and jitter during that period. It's also nice to be able to run bandwidth speed tests from any router to any other router, and not worry about impacting the actual traffic load. It's the best way to track down problems, when you can test from hop to hop. When a customer is 5 hops away, if all 5 routers are at 75%, the latency will be higher than if all 5 routers were at 10%. It may only be 1ms across all 5, but that's still 1ms (and more likely 5-10ms). Travis Microserv Scott Reed wrote: Why less than 10%? As long as peak is 75% or so you generally won't get significant improvement in performance as the processor is not always busy. Certainly anything less than 50% means it is waiting for data more than it is processing it. Travis Johnson wrote: What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
I'm assuming so if shit hits the fan, you still have room to mitigate the damages? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
That's not bad at all. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
The RB1000 I have bounces around CPU usage between 3-15%. Most of the time it is below 10%. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? What is the CPU running at? The one RB1000 we have in production is moving 50Mbps with about 10 rules and 5 queues, and the CPU is at 30%. That's just too high for me, we have it scheduled to be replaced this summer. I like CPU numbers to be below 20% (ideally below 10%). :) Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I am running a RB1000 at the NOC with 400 simple queues, couple dozen firewall and mangle rules and about 50 routes. Always has at least 10mbps traffic flowing through it and I love it. I had a RB333 before and it couldn't handle during peak times. However the RB1000 isn't even breaking a sweat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, Travis). Realtek and Linux typically go together like fire and water. Having said that, I believe the rb44 (non gigabit) is Realtek. The admin station at the office has it (makes it easier plugged directly into a few devices at once and this network and that) and I can double check tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
It's hard to beat the price on an OC-12 card for a Cisco 12008 when you can get them for $300 now. :) Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, Travis). Realtek and Linux typically go together like fire and water. Having said that, I believe the rb44 (non gigabit) is Realtek. The admin station at the office has it (makes it easier plugged directly into a few devices at once and this network and that) and I can double check tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Personally, I would be looking at an Intel Core2Duo or higher system. There are many for sale on ebay in 1u cases. Something like item #170451664096 would be perfect... I'm sure there are many other choices on ebay, this was just the first one that came up. Travis Jon Auer wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Oh, I'm still a believer in Cisco for the edge :-) Although I'm looking at Juniper for the next upgrade. MX80s or MX240s if the MX80 isn't out by then. The problem I have is we are upgrading a couple of backhaul rings to licensed links and I'm supposed to make sure they can pass 200Mbps of traffic as we want to use it to feed FTTH. I'd use Cisco 3550s except they don't support IPv6 or VPLS and both are hot stuff these days. My current scheme of 3550s with RB450Gs handling IPv6 and other special services adds a bit too much complexity for my liking. Got a quote back from Ciena on some LE-311v (switch that does VPLS/MPLS pseudowire/PBB-TE. Clearwire uses them as their tower switches) and I'm still reeling from the sticker shock. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: ImageStream or Cisco would probably be best. ImageStream if it's Ethernet, Cisco if it's a card that isn't support (note there is an OC12 card now, Travis). Realtek and Linux typically go together like fire and water. Having said that, I believe the rb44 (non gigabit) is Realtek. The admin station at the office has it (makes it easier plugged directly into a few devices at once and this network and that) and I can double check tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Just saw Travis's mention of this board on the Mikrotik list. Man. lots of action on this general topic all over the place. What would you recommend for handling say, 200Mbps of VPLS and general packet bashing (iBGP+OSPF). Connection tracking turned off and only host-protection ACLs? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Would that be the SYS-5015A-H 1U? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product It has Realtek GigE onboard. Anyone have experiences with that brand of ethernet chipset under RouterOS? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: If you are looking for rackmount units, supermicro has a rackmount atom dual core bare bones system ... pricing is in the #250 - $300 range It has 2 GBE interfaces and PCIE expansion Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
493 only has 128M RAM. Might want a little more. RB800 only has 3 ports, but supports the new RB816 for a total of 19 ports and has a little more horsepower than the 4xxx cards. RB1000 has 4 ports and more horsepower, but I don't think it is expandable. can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
I posted this to Butch's MT list too. To answer a few questions. It is a full P4, not Celeron. I forgot to mention a few things that come to mind. I am using it as DNS server and redirecting(via NAT) all DNS activity through the MT to use the MT DNS cache. I am not using web proxy. At the moment it has a Prizm card for wireless customers(10 total), but I am getting rid of that and going to a BulletM2HP. I am needing 1 of the 4 ports for this. I would like to keep these below $250. I can buy regular x86 much more powerful than this for less money. The reason for trying to go to routerboards is to have standbys ready to go with minimal configuration after copying configs over and setting them up. The other reason is to get rid of the mechanical component of the hard drive...a mistake I made from the beginning. The last reason is to cover all the separate things that can go wrong in an X86 compared to a routerboard. Thanks for all the replies and I am evaluating all of them. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0500 493 only has 128M RAM. Might want a little more. RB800 only has 3 ports, but supports the new RB816 for a total of 19 ports and has a little more horsepower than the 4xxx cards. RB1000 has 4 ports and more horsepower, but I don't think it is expandable. can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
RB-1000 seems to fit you requirements, but not your $250 budget as it costs $685. As you told you have a 4-port requirement, my guess is that you could split the inbounds into 2 5-port RB-450G for $129 each. The number of rules+queues is the issue here. I've seen RB450G routing 100Mbps per direction (and that's not the limit, 100 Mbps was the test setup limit), with connection tracking on but only 10 filter+mangle rules and no queues; for a hotspot application, 100 users is what a RB450G could handle. Rubens On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
what about a Nema box and bury it say below the frost line - thus below the heat line as well. just a thought On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Brad - Com port. On 3/6/10, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
APC Makes Serial cables for their UPSs. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Geesh...the RB1100 is a nice step in the right direction, but still no USB port. No USB port - no way to monitor the APC UPS. sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:41 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 18:25 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. If you're gonna go Routerboard, then RB1000 (at a minimum) or the new, not, yet available, RB1100. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
