Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Scott Reed




I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base issue.  
I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not stranded.  If you can, use #2 or larger.  The goal with grounding, if it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible to ground.  Spread the ground rods out as much as you can.  Connect them each to the tower AND to each other.  Pick a point in that that is your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point.

For more information on grounding, see: 
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days= Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705 Includes some good diagrams.
http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/ A collection of grounding tips.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


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Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


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Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 



 

I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx  
 

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 
cement and will add my own gravel.   
 

I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to 
bolt the tower legs to.  I will 
 

thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move.  I've 
got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. 
 

I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire.  I 
picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,  
 

washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs.  
Anyone have any suggestions 
 

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon. 

 
 

brian 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge.

Brian

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

  15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that big.




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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


  
  
I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx
tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland cement

  
  and will add my own gravel.
  
  
I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete

  
  to bolt the tower legs to.  I will
  
  
thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move.  I've

  
  got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too.
  
  
I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire.  I

  
  picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
  
  
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe

  
  stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
  
  
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Ya, I finally understood the diagram. I have to calculate my "w", "x",
and "d" to figure the base. http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  I think folks have pretty much taken care of the base
issue. 
I beleive the recommendations for grounding are to use solid wire, not
stranded. If you can, use #2 or larger. The goal with grounding, if
it is for lightning protection, is to get the lowest impedance possible
to ground. Spread the ground rods out as much as you can. Connect
them each to the tower AND to each other. Pick a point in that that is
your ground point and make sure everything connects to that one point.
  
  
For more information on grounding, see: 
  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13235689~mode=flat~days=
Not completely about grounding, but lots of helpful info.
  
  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13978705
Includes some good diagrams.
  
  http://www.startawisp.com/content/category/8/79/58/
A collection of grounding tips.
  
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:21:37 -0400 
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn
bx 
 tower. It is 5 sections of 8 ft. I just got 15 bags of portland
cement and will add my own gravel.  
 I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the
concrete to bolt the tower legs to. I will 
 thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too. 
 I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts, 
 washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the pipe stubs. 
Anyone have any suggestions 
 for me? This is my first tower. I will pour tomorrow afternoon. 
 
 brian 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I know. On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the other
hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now that it crashed
over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on top of it. I
want to build it to take whatever people want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more
equipment. Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the
future.
  
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge.
  
 
 Brian
  
 
 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
  
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 

509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 

net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 

net

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WIRES!



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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  


  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  

and will add my own 

gravel.

  



  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  



  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  



  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  

picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  



  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  

stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  



  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Tom DeReggi



I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the charges 
and fees for the truck. 

Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. 
:-(

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brian 
  Rohrbacher 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
  I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the 
  charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 2 
  months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope to 
  cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. 
  :)JohnnyO wrote: 
  2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go !

You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb
sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing
for 2 months by hand :)

JohnnyO

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to
be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the
dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer."  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.


A. Huppenthal wrote:


  The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never*
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
base.  I'll keep looking.

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


  http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
nearly enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  
I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn

  

  

  
bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 
bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Rob's list



boy are we lucky out here in rural america. I 
can get1 yard tacked on to someone elses load for the regular per yard 
price. but its like that in a small town

rob

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom 
  DeReggi 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:52 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower
  
  I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all the 
  charges and fees for the truck. 
  
  Yeah, but bad back for the month, costs more. 
  :-(
  
  Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Brian 
Rohrbacher 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 
AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower
I think you have to get something like 7 yards to avoid all 
the charges and fees for the truck. I guess I'll let you guys know in 
2 months how it went. My brother does concrete for a living, so I hope 
to cut it down to 1 month because I have a "pro" working for me. 
:)JohnnyO wrote: 
2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go !

You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb
sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing
for 2 months by hand :)

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to
be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the
dumb thing to say "dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer."  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.


A. Huppenthal wrote:


The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never*
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
base.  I'll keep looking.

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
nearly enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  
  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn

  
  

  

  bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 
bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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RE: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message



CPE - 
PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian - I prob do more 
things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I add overkill into our tower 
bases

JohnnyO

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Brian RohrbacherSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 
  AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
  TowerI know. On one hand I want it good enough for 
  a CPE, but on the other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from 
  now that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on 
  top of it. I want to build it to take whatever people want to put on 
  it.Scott Reed wrote: 
  
Only 
a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment. Don't skimp, you 
never know what you will want/need in the future. Scott Reed 
Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, 
Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message 
--- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 
Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to 
one. So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had 
figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have 
the specs I will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE 
on this tower. Nothing huge.   Brian   
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 

509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 

net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 

net

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WIRES!



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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  

  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  and will add my own 

gravel.

  


  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  


  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  


  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  


  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  


  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Title: Message




I won't skip, but I don't want to waste. I want to do it exactly what
is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd do 49.
But I don't want to have to do 5 ft. I want to figure enough for the
job without wasting material and time. Believe me, I want efficiency,
not corner cutting.

JohnnyO wrote:

  
  
  
  CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed
- Don't skimp Brian - I prob do more things out of specs then most -
but that is b/c I add overkill into our tower bases
  
  JohnnyO
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian
Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower


I know. On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the other
hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now that it crashed
over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his VW Bug on top of it. I
want to build it to take whatever people want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more
equipment. Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the
future. 
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
  www.nwwnet.net
  
  
  -- Original Message --- 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower 
  
 Portland cement has no gravel. I'll mix it 4 parts to one.
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags. I had figured I
needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug. But now that I have the specs I
will see how big the hole has to be. I will only put a CPE on this
tower. Nothing huge. 
 
 Brian 
 
 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
  
15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 

big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 

509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 

net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 

net

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WIRES!



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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower

  


  I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 

bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 

cement



  

and will add my own 

gravel.

  



  I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 

concrete



  

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 

will

  



  thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  

I've



  

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 

too.

  



  I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  

I



  

picked up a load of grade 8 

bolts,

  



  washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 

pipe



  

stubs.  Anyone have any 

suggestions

  



  for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 

afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread A. Huppenthal
Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all new 
towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly what 
is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd do 
49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure enough for 
the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I want 
efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian - 
I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I add 
overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the future.

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that 


big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 


509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot 


net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot 


net

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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 
PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX 
Tower


 
   

I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a 

rohn 


bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 


cement

   

 

and will add my own 


gravel.

 

   

I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in 

the 


concrete

   

 

to bolt the tower legs to.  I 


will

 

   

thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 

move.  


I've

   

 

got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole 


too.

 

   

I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 

wire.  


I

   

 

picked up a load of grade 8 


bolts,

 

   

washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 

the 


pipe

   

 

stubs.  Anyone have any 


suggestions

 

   

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow 


afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread Blair Davis

FS/BLM??


A. Huppenthal wrote:

Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all 
new towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly 
what is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd 
do 49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure enough 
for the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I want 
efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian 
- I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I 
add overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the future.

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that
big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC
509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot
net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot
net

Fast Internet, NO
WIRES!

 



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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 
  


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a
rohn
bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland
cement

  



and will add my own
gravel.

 

  


I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in
the
concrete

  



to bolt the tower legs to.  I
will

 

  


thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. 
I've


  



got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole
too.

 

  


I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. 
I


  



picked up a load of grade 8
bolts,

 

  


washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the
pipe

  



stubs.  Anyone have any
suggestions

 

  


for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow
afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-22 Thread A. Huppenthal
around here, that's US Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management - 
they have jurisdiction over much of the mountain land here.




Blair Davis wrote:


FS/BLM??


A. Huppenthal wrote:

Any comments on freestanding towers? Apparently the FS/BLM want all 
new towers to be free standing in many areas.


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I won't skip, but I don't want to waste.  I want to do it exactly 
what is needs to be, well, if it's suppose to be a 48 inch hole, I'd 
do 49.  But I don't want to have to do 5 ft.  I want to figure 
enough for the job without wasting material and time.  Believe me, I 
want efficiency, not corner cutting.


JohnnyO wrote:

CPE - PLUS a climber while it's being installed - Don't skimp Brian 
- I prob do more things out of specs then most - but that is b/c I 
add overkill into our tower bases
 
JohnnyO


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian 
Rohrbacher

*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2005 9:47 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

I know.  On one hand I want it good enough for a CPE, but on the
other hand I don't want to hear on the news 20 years from now
that it crashed over and killed a guy when he wanted to put his
VW Bug on top of it.  I want to build it to take whatever people
want to put on it.

Scott Reed wrote:


Only a CPE today, but towers always beg for more equipment.
Don't skimp, you never know what you will want/need in the 
future.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

*-- Original Message ---*
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 Portland cement has no gravel.  I'll mix it 4 parts to one. 
So.those 15 94 lb bags are like 60 94 lb bags.  I had

figured I needed 1.28 yards for the hole I dug.  But now that I
have the specs I will see how big the hole has to be.  I will
only put a CPE on this tower.  Nothing huge.

 Brian

 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:


15 bags of cement won't mean squat in a hole that
big.









North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC
509-593-4061

personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot
net

sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot
net

Fast Internet, NO
WIRES!

 



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- Original Message -


From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

 
 


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a
rohn
bx

tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland
cement

  



and will add my own
gravel.

 

 


I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in
the
concrete

  



to bolt the tower legs to.  I
will

 

 


thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't
move. I've

  



got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole
too.

 

 


I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded
wire. I

  



picked up a load of grade 8
bolts,

 

 


washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to
the
pipe

  



stubs.  Anyone have any
suggestions

 

 


for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow
afternoon.



brian





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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




That one has 7 sections and mine has 5. I never found the specs for
base. I'll keep looking.

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

  http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have nearly
enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx
tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland cement and will add my own gravel.
I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the tower legs to.  I will
thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too.
I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the 
dumb thing to say dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer.  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.



A. Huppenthal wrote:

The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never* 
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for 
base.  I'll keep looking.


Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have nearly
enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx
tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 
cement and will add my own gravel.
I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the 
concrete to bolt the tower legs to.  I will
thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 
move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too.
I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 
wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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RE: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-21 Thread JohnnyO
The same size as the one for the 70ft Version Brian - That's how large
of a base you need.

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:53 PM
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As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the dumb 
thing to say dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer.  I still have no

idea how big of a hole I need.


A. Huppenthal wrote:

 The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never* really
 enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got lots of 
 concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. Don't 
 skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
 base.  I'll keep looking.

 Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

 http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

 Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
 nearly enough concrete for the base.

 Lonnie

 On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn 
 bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
 portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
 three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
 tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
 inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
 the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare

 stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
 washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to the

 pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
 for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

 brian


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RE: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-21 Thread JohnnyO
2ft wide x 4ft long x 4ft deep There you go !

You will need 2.4cubic yards of concrete - which means - approx 220 80lb
sacks of ready mix - Call in a cement truck for this... You'll be mixing
for 2 months by hand :)

JohnnyO

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Found it.  But now I don't understand exactly how big my hole needs to
be.

http://www.wb0w.com/shelby/BXCBS1.htm

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the
 dumb thing to say dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer.  I still 
 have no idea how big of a hole I need.


 A. Huppenthal wrote:

 The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never*
 really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
 lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
 Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for
 base.  I'll keep looking.

 Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

 http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

 Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have 
 nearly enough concrete for the base.

 Lonnie

 On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn

 bx tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of 
 portland cement and will add my own gravel. I was thinking about 
 three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the concrete to bolt the 
 tower legs to.  I will thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 
 inches so they can't move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in 
 the hole too. I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 
 bare stranded wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
 washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
 the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions
 for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

 brian


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Re: [WISPA] Rohn BX Tower

2005-08-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
oops, here is where pages 9 and 10 are.   
http://www.antennasystems.com/bxcatalog.pdf


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

As close as I get is the info on page 9 and 10.  All I want is the 
dumb thing to say dig a hole this by this for a 40 footer.  I still 
have no idea how big of a hole I need.



A. Huppenthal wrote:

The trouble with mixing your own cement is that there's *never* 
really enough. Do a 4 x 4 foot pad that's 5 feet deep and you've got 
lots of concrete. If a cement truck is not an option, rent a mixer. 
Don't skimp on the plug, it's really hard to add concrete later.. :-)



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

That one has 7 sections and mine has 5.  I never found the specs for 
base.  I'll keep looking.


Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:


http://bold98.org/gallery/ProjectsTower

Please read this and the manual from the site.  You do not have nearly
enough concrete for the base.

Lonnie

On 8/21/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I dug a hole 32 inch square by 42 inches deep yesterday for a rohn bx
tower.  It is 5 sections of 8 ft.  I just got 15 bags of portland 
cement and will add my own gravel.
I was thinking about three 1 1/2 inch pieces of pipe stuck in the 
concrete to bolt the tower legs to.  I will
thread and put couplers on the pipe at 22 inches so they can't 
move.  I've got some re-bar to chuck down in the hole too.
I've got 3 8ft ground rods and will bond with #4 bare stranded 
wire.  I picked up a load of grade 8 bolts,
washers, and lock washers for bolting the tower together and to 
the pipe stubs.  Anyone have any suggestions

for me?  This is my first tower.  I will pour tomorrow afternoon.

brian


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