Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread John Scrivner
@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro
, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro
doing 70. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread George Rogato
Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking tech who rolled his own systems. I very much

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro
George, I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry.

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread ralphlists
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? George, I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are going to be a part

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Dawn DiPietro
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread George Rogato
Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Yeah, but your over the limit! :) I just want to know why the feds don't just drive on over to Teletronics in

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Smith, Rick
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Smith, Rick
gear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread George Rogato
I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion. If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified. George Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread George Rogato
Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hammett
PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? With good reason. It's not an acceptable solution if it's not certified. If someone takes you to court over interference (which they can!) you'd lose if they're using certified gear and you're not. The fact that it's Unlicensed spectrum takes

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro
George, Trango would have had the whole system certified not just the radio card and the SBC. You can't take out a few parts from a certified system and consider it legal in any way shape or form. The system as a whole was certified including the case, the power supply and software. As far as

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Dawn DiPietro
DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread George Rogato
I don't think so. I think they probably have done the testing and got the certs for the board and the card. The trango stuff is a diferent test and cert that happened a long time ago. Lets not read more into it than whats there. We all know what a trango unit looks like and we all know how

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hammett
. They have not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Mike, Why

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread ralph
to make you guys see this? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread ralph
Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine! Please post when/where you do this. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread George Rogato
to make you guys see this? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Smith, Rick
how much is the fine ? Where's it specified ? (SERIOUS question.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Sure, if you can

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread Tim Kerns
I believe the FCC has the authority to fine up to $10k per incident. - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? how much is the fine

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-28 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote: The crux of this ongoing argument is did someone certify a MT, routerboard, cm9 system? Skip the already certified Trango components. Dumb newbie question. Doesn't the certification apply to a complete package, including antenna and software? Mikrotik's RouterOS software

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread ralph
The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Smith, Rick
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Smith, Rick
...yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Travis Johnson
for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread John Scrivner
not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The first thing

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Peter R.
Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Frank Crawford
Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Ryan Langseth
are on the back side, now, of the power-line problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
27, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says people lie. Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things like a AP at 25

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Dawn DiPietro
@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest

RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Smith, Rick
anyone have the FCC Cert# for the Trango Mesh ? I might just do that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Frank

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread George Rogato
daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Travis Johnson
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread George Rogato
Travis Johnson wrote: The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv ah -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Frank Crawford
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis

Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Travis Johnson
ngo's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless