Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-15 Thread Mike Hammett
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From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:53 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036


 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Bret Clark




2nd that!

Jayson Baker wrote:

  Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

  
  
BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Thanks.


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard "we'll think
about it" answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
switch.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Tom DeReggi" wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General
List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
disable like "VLAN Aware" that may not be specific on what VLAN
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
functional,
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -
From: "Nick Olsen" n...@brevardwireless.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches



  Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
Management
  

is


  a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

--
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036


  





  
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed!  We could use 12 or 24 ports too!  It would need to have a fast CPU
and at least one USB port.


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:45 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

 Thanks.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
think
 about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
 size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
 switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
 List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
 configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
 make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
 location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
 VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
 disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
 functional,
 but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
 described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly
SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

  Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
  Management
 is
  a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
  They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
  heat.
 
  --
  Marco C. Coelho
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
 
 




  
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Joe Miller
Has anyone tried the Netgear GS108T? It is a fully managed switch that costs 
about $100.00 to $130.00. I buy mine from Staples. I'v had two of them in the 
field for over two years with no issues.



- Original Message 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:42:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Andy Trimmell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316090



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Has anyone tried the Netgear GS108T? It is a fully managed switch that costs 
about $100.00 to $130.00. I buy mine from Staples. I'v had two of them in the 
field for over two years with no issues.



- Original Message 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:42:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread jp
Some of their better managed switches do these things. Perhaps it's an 
incentive for people to who value those features to go upmarket a little.
I do love their switches. I mostly buy used ones. 

I think the 26xx series can allow you to label ports. All the 
telnet/snmp manageable ones allow naming VLANs. All the telnet/snmp ones 
allow enabling/disabling ports.

As far as port and vlan labeling, a database could be built to keep 
track of that stuff. So you just pull up the switch in your php/mysql 
custom display and it will show you all the ports their the labeling and 
vlan names.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:53:10PM -0500, Nick Olsen wrote:
 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G
 
 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think 
 about it answer.
 
 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port
 
 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware 
 size to implement.
 
 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome 
 switch.
 
 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
 
 
 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General 
 List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
 There are several classes of VLAN switches.
 
 I'll use SMC as an example...
 
 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
 
 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
 
 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
 configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
 make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
 location switches.
 
 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
 VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
 
 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
 
 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
 disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
 
 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.
 
 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are 
 functional, 
 but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
 described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
 
 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
 
 ports.
 
 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
 
 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
 labled in software.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management 
 is
  a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
  They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
  heat.
 
  -- 
  Marco C. Coelho
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
 
  
 
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Brad Belton
We use the Dell 2816 for small VLAN implementations and the Dell 6248 for
more demanding needs.  Both have worked flawlessly with MikroTik VLAN.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Has anyone tried the Netgear GS108T? It is a fully managed switch that costs
about $100.00 to $130.00. I buy mine from Staples. I'v had two of them in
the field for over two years with no issues.



- Original Message 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:42:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional,

but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036



 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Matt
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316090

Is that rack mountable?

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Has either 0 or 2 screw holes on the side - I bet not.

Did anyone else notice ports 1-7 are HP auto-mdix and port 8 is IEEE auto
mdi/x?

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  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316090

 Is that rack mountable?

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread RickG
Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
compatability issues with other equipment.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:


 There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
 markets in that price range and port density...

 I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
 small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
 I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:

  BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
 ?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
  Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G
 
  I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
  think about it answer.
 
  1. Ability to label ports
  2. Ability to label vlans
  3. Ability to disable a port
 
  All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
  memory/firmware size to implement.
 
  In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
  awesome switch.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
  To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
  General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  There are several classes of VLAN switches.
 
  I'll use SMC as an example...
 
  1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
  very
 
  intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
  each
 
  port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
  Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
  But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
  to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
  They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
  and end location switches.
 
  2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
  with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
  for dual
 
  purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
  They
 
  lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
  or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
  functionality is enabled by making it aware.
  It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
  because
 
  the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.
 
  SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
  functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN
  switches as described in #2 above.
  But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which
  give
 
  them a step up over other basic web switch products.
  Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports,
  possibly SPF
 
  ports.
 
  I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
  that
 
  had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
  labled in software.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
   Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
   Management
  is
   a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
   They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
  
   Nick Olsen
   Brevard Wireless
   (321) 205-1100 x106
  
  
   
  
   From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
  
   I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
   They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled

Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread Ryan Spott
It's not a compatibility issue, it is a should and shall issue.

There is no IEEE standard or RFC for port auto-negotiation so Cisco
does not have one. (period).

ryan

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
 compatability issues with other equipment.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:


 There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
 markets in that price range and port density...

 I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
 small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
 I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:

  BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
 ?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
  Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G
 
  I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
  think about it answer.
 
  1. Ability to label ports
  2. Ability to label vlans
  3. Ability to disable a port
 
  All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
  memory/firmware size to implement.
 
  In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
  awesome switch.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
  To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
  General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  There are several classes of VLAN switches.
 
  I'll use SMC as an example...
 
  1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
  very
 
  intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
  each
 
  port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
  Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
  But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
  to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
  They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
  and end location switches.
 
  2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
  with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
  for dual
 
  purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
  They
 
  lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
  or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
  functionality is enabled by making it aware.
  It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
  because
 
  the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.
 
  SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
  functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN
  switches as described in #2 above.
  But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which
  give
 
  them a step up over other basic web switch products.
  Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports,
  possibly SPF
 
  ports.
 
  I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
  that
 
  had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
  labled in software.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
   Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
   Management
  is
   a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
   They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
  
   Nick Olsen
   Brevard Wireless
   (321) 205-1100 x106
  
  
   
  
   From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
   Sent: Wednesday

Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread RickG
Ryan, I agree with your second statement but my statement is correct
according to the dictionary:

compatible/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhm-pat-uh-buhl]  Show IPA

–adjective 1. capable of existing or living together in harmony: the most
compatible married couple I know.
2. able to exist together with something else: Prejudice is not compatible
with true religion.
3. consistent; congruous (often fol. by with): His claims are not compatible
with the facts.
4. Computers. a. (of software) capable of being run on another computer
without change.
b. (of hardware) capable of being connected to another device without the
use of special equipment or software.

5. Electronics. (of a device, signal, etc.) capable of being used with
equipment in a system without the need for special modification or
conversion.
6. noting a system of television in which color broadcasts can be received
on ordinary sets in black and white.

–noun 7. something, as a machine or piece of electronic equipment, that is
designed to perform the same tasks as another, often in the same way and
using virtually identical parts, programmed instructions, etc.: Software
written for one computer will probably run on its close compatibles.

-RickG

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:

 It's not a compatibility issue, it is a should and shall issue.

 There is no IEEE standard or RFC for port auto-negotiation so Cisco
 does not have one. (period).

 ryan

 On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
  compatability issues with other equipment.
 
  On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:
 
 
  There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
  markets in that price range and port density...
 
  I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for
 something
  small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
  Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jayson Baker
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
  To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24,
 48
  ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
  I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.
 
  On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
  wrote:
 
   BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3
 Switches
  ?
  
   Thanks.
  
  
   Faisal Imtiaz
   Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
   Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
  
   This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G
  
   I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
   think about it answer.
  
   1. Ability to label ports
   2. Ability to label vlans
   3. Ability to disable a port
  
   All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
   memory/firmware size to implement.
  
   In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
   awesome switch.
  
   Nick Olsen
   Brevard Wireless
   (321) 205-1100 x106
  
  
   
  
   From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
   To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
   General List wireless@wispa.org
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
  
   There are several classes of VLAN switches.
  
   I'll use SMC as an example...
  
   1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
   very
  
   intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
   each
  
   port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
   Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be
 done.
   But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
   to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
   They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
   and end location switches.
  
   2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
   with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
   for dual
  
   purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
   They
  
   lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
   or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
   functionality is enabled by making it aware.
   It usually takes

Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-12 Thread John Thomas
I know that used to be an issue, but we have been seeing great results 
with Cisco 2960 series switches.

John


RickG wrote:
 Cisco makes great routers but their switches suck. They have port
 compatability issues with other equipment.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

   
 There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
 markets in that price range and port density...

 I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
 small, hardend, low power for outdoor application.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
 I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:

 
 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
   
 ?
 
 Thanks.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll
 think about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of
 memory/firmware size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a
 awesome switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are
 very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label
 each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy
 to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients.
 They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches
 and end location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything
 with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well
 for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch.
 They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable
 or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config,
 because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
 functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN
 switches as described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which
 give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports,
 possibly SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost,
 that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

   
 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
 Management
 
 is
   
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would

Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Dennis Burgess
493AH :)  

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of Learn RouterOS


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036




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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until
well done?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

 493AH :)

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marco Coelho
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 --
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Jayson Baker
I'd also recommend a MT unit.  RB750 is nice and small.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook
 until
 well done?

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  493AH :)
 
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  -Original Message-
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  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
  heat.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Nick Olsen
Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is 
a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread 3-dB Networks
Etherwan.

The EX9600 might be what you are looking for.  I could probably quote it
offlist if you like; it is the same switch Motorola uses in their CMM4's.

Daniel White
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They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Jerry Richardson
Nothing but good things to say about MOXA.

Hardened industrial switches with DC redundant power supplies.

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Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Robert West
Hey, you DO have to turn it over after 45 minutes.  Read the manual.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until
well done?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess
dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

 493AH :)

 ---
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 Behalf Of Marco Coelho
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

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 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Any Industrial rated 'din mount' should work.
There are a number of mfg, but these devices don't tend to be in-expensive.
Most Enterprise devices are not rated for high temps.

In previous posts and other wireless lists, the folks who build an outdoor
pop all within a NEMA cabinets often use Din mount industrial power suplies
and ethernet switches.

If you do a google search on industrial ethernet or din mount ethernet
you will find a lot of options.

Garrettecom is one such mfg.

Faisal Imtiaz
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat.

--
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread lakeland
I will second the Moxa's.  We buy from Neteon out of NJ
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:25:08 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Nothing but good things to say about MOXA.

Hardened industrial switches with DC redundant power supplies.

-Original Message-
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Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
heat.

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POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread RickG
I'll take mine over easy!

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Hey, you DO have to turn it over after 45 minutes.  Read the manual.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook
 until
 well done?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess
 dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

  493AH :)
 
  ---
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  WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
  WISPA Vendor Member
  Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
  LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
  Author of Learn RouterOS
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
  heat.
 
  --
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  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
 
 
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Nick Olsen
This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think 
about it answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware 
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome 
switch.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General 
List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to 
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They 
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end 
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with 
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or 
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are 
functional, 
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as 
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management 
is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Can I ask what do you mean by being able to Label a port ?

A lable that you can see from command line or web interface ? Or something
that shows up on SNMP ? 


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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very
intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each
port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual
purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They
lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because
the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional,
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give
them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF
ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that
had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches


 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
 heat.

 -- 
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036



 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Thanks. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think
about it answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
switch.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional,
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, 
 Management
is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas 
 heat.

 --
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread eje
Yes a rb450g works great. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:36:24 
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Thanks. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think
about it answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
switch.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional,
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, 
 Management
is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas 
 heat.

 --
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Jayson Baker
Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

 Thanks.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think
 about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
 size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
 switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
 List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
 configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
 make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
 location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
 VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
 disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are
 functional,
 but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
 described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

  Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit,
  Management
 is
  a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
  They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas
  heat.
 
  --
  Marco C. Coelho
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
 
 

 

  
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary
markets in that price range and port density...

I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something
small, hardend, low power for outdoor application. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48
ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them.
I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

 Thanks.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

 I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll 
 think about it answer.

 1. Ability to label ports
 2. Ability to label vlans
 3. Ability to disable a port

 All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of 
 memory/firmware size to implement.

 In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a 
 awesome switch.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
 To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA 
 General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 There are several classes of VLAN switches.

 I'll use SMC as an example...

 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are 
 very

 intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label 
 each

 port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their 
 Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done.
 But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy 
 to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. 
 They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches 
 and end location switches.

 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything 
 with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well 
 for dual

 purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. 
 They

 lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable 
 or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN 
 functionality is enabled by making it aware.
 It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, 
 because

 the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

 SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are 
 functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN 
 switches as described in #2 above.
 But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which 
 give

 them a step up over other basic web switch products.
 Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, 
 possibly SPF

 ports.

 I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, 
 that

 had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be 
 labled in software.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

  Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, 
  Management
 is
  a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
  They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.
 
  Nick Olsen
  Brevard Wireless
  (321) 205-1100 x106
 
 
  
 
  From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
 
  I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
  They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas 
  heat.
 
  --
  Marco C. Coelho
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Matt
 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans?

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet
model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps without
breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps
and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on
it and setup as a l3 switch.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans?

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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread Jayson Baker
We use an RB450G as a core in a couple pops.  One in particular is running
NAT, OSPF, PPTP VPN, MPLS, has about 20 VPLS tunnels, and does firewalling
for a couple hundred public IPs.
Average throughput: 20Mbps
Average CPU load: 8%

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.comwrote:

 Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet
 model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps
 without
 breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps
 and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on
 it and setup as a l3 switch.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM
 To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

  BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches
 ?

 Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans?

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