Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. *** * *** * * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies - must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** * *** * *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should have at least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The following information is offered for your personal use only. It contains no added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any machinery that also processes eggs or nuts. * House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that would force companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat child pornography. Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers should be forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way to help combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill requiring they do so for two years... LINK: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies- must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn *** -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid … Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that way was designed for tacking IP space to people. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn
If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Nice! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan
