Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Ryan, I realize this is somewhat tangential to your main point, but I wanted to point out that EIGRP/IGRP aren't standard protocols, nor will they work with any other router, necessarily. If you are shying away from proprietary equipment, Cisco's proprietary routing

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Mike Ireton
Off the subject, but if you are a major operator then you are most certainly using cisco in your core, and eigrp is standard in cisco enviroments and makes sense if it's available to you. Like 802.1q and ISL - you could do 802.1q and interoperate, or just ISL and have the benefits of better

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Carl A jeptha
NO, MY TOY. You can't have it. :o I am thinking of a summer Hotspot at our Marina and beach this year. You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Carl A jeptha

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Mike, Off the subject, but if you are a major operator then you are most certainly using cisco in your core, You might be surprised. That might have been true at one point, but probably is not now. :-) and eigrp is standard in cisco enviroments and makes sense if it's available to you.

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Mike Ireton
Hi Jeff, Please don't get me started on imagestream... but anyways, the real stuff that really works - cisco - doesn't come in small form factor / extended temprature range and low power, is all I was saying. We use linux on Soekris with our own special blend (and 6mb) of linux for these

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Dylan Oliver
Jeff, do you have a source for the statement that Cisco now recommends BGP (iBGP?) vs EIGRP? On 12/30/06, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then it's not a standard, but a proprietary protocol. Actually, Cisco generally recommends BGP at this point and not EIGRP. Best, -- Dylan

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Jeff, do you have a source for the statement that Cisco now recommends

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Butch Evans wrote: It is my contention (and yours, it seems) that a router at the CPE

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread George Rogato
: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Butch Evans wrote: It is my contention (and yours, it seems) that a router at the CPE is necessary. BINGO. Qwest DSL has a router at every customer. Ever taken a look at what those Actiontec wireless dsl routers do... As we stated

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Right guys, I accept all that may be true but even in the DSL world, customers

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Then you must not be aware that Lonnie is now also selling the complete package. The newest product is Star V3, Atheros cm9 and a gateworks customized board to Lonnies specs. It's called the WAR board, or Wireless Advanced

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Mac Dearman
318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Can anyone just answer the questions I had without

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Smith
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread John Scrivner
, December 28, 2006 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Seemed kind close to my home is all. All the Best in 2007. Lonnie This footnote confirms

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
. G'night. Be safe this New Years. ...and BE LEGAL! Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Then you

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Rich Comroe
is it illegal? Rich - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Lonnie, Patrick has a valid point. Truthfully, its getting close to that time

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Ryan Spott
N White wrote, On 12/28/2006 11:30 PM: Nick. Is. A. God. (and has EXCELLENT reading comprehension!) Correction. It's late, I'm tired, and have had too much wine. I meant that the TRCPQ is Atheros based, not TRCPE. This is from a Tranzeo list: The CPE90 is

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Lonnie, Patrick has a valid point. Truthfully, its getting close to that time that there isn't a reason not to get certified. The 533 Gateworks boards, atheros chipset cards, are getting

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Then you must not be aware that Lonnie is now also selling the complete package. The newest product is Star V3, Atheros cm9 and a gateworks

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread chris cooper
Hire Jack Unger. He was patient enough to beat all the rules into my head eventually. C If you hire a consultant that doesn't at least explain all of this to you, go hire a new consultant. The one you have either doesn't know the rules or he's only in it to take your money. And if he'll take

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Rich Comroe
appreciate anyone who could kick some sense into me should I be all wet. Peace, Rich - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... OK, lets

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Ryan, My favorite AP setup for 2.4 is StarOS/Orinoco card/YDI amplifier/YDI 180deg sector antenna - however some of these parts are getting harder to find and/or don't work for a lot of situations. So here is the most common one that I am deploying as of late: StarOS/prism2511/tranzeo

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Mark McElvy
, 2006 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... OK, lets be clear on what the rules are today guys. (Why did I know that THIS thread was gonna turn out to be a ton of fun (said the pot to the kettle)) Here's how it works. If you have a AP out

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread George Rogato
Mark McElvy wrote: In general what is considered a better combination, lower powered radio w/ higher gain antenna or higher powered radio w/ lower gain antenna? Mark Rule of thumbs, keep the beamwidth to a minimum and use the lowest power needed to get the job done. These two rules will let

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Carl A jeptha
I have used a tr5a against an MT AP and no problems. I also use Tranzeo 6000 for AP's and really don't see them slowing down. They also act as Backhaul AP's (at the same time) in PTMP mode for other microcell backhauls. Granted we don't have amount of clients that you have. We actually use the

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick
things you should be using. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:44

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Carl A jeptha wrote: Backhaul CPE for some of our lighter microcells. My main Gateway is an MT, my Router board (with a valid License) is packed away waiting for me to decide something great to do with it. Come on Butch tell me something :-) Ummmyou can send it to

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Ryan, Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? There's no need to go the illegal route and that includes even price these days. Plus, with a legal product you'll get the benefit of support and a warranty. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o:

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I have been looking at the Microtik line of products with an SR2 400mW Atheros radio in it. Does anyone have any input as to what direction to go? Really, this depends on what you want the AP to actually do (other than be a simple AP). I like the

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I have been looking at the Microtik line of products with an SR2 400mW Atheros radio in it. Does anyone have any input as to what direction to go? Really, this depends on what you want the AP to

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Ryan, Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC- certified) brands? Are you trying to troll? :) I am using all Tranzeo gear now. I am also looking for other options. I have 2 6500 series radios up at this site. They are

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Dec 28, 2006, at 8:44

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, D. Ryan Spott wrote: I agree. Other than some *cough*open source*cough*licensing issues*cough* I can see that there is lots that can be done with the Microtik. Open source has nothing to do with it. Mikrotik does adhere to the open source licensing requirement. As for

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Patrick

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Lonnie, Not sure why you are fired up. Your product is software that gets loaded into hardware so I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about illegal hardware and what is untrue about

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Mark Koskenmaki wrote: IF someone built a product that would perform anywhere near as well and had anywhere NEAR the features, I might consider buying it. As much as I am intrigued by your VL product, every time I look at it, I remind myself that in order to be even

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread N White
:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked. -- Butch Evans

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Seemed kind

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Butch Evans wrote: It is my contention (and yours, it seems) that a router at the CPE is necessary. BINGO. Qwest DSL has a router at every customer. Ever taken a look at what those Actiontec wireless dsl routers do... As we stated in an earlier thread, those pesky routers matter more

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread N White
: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal (FCC-certified) brands? Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread Patrick Leary
: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients... Butch Evans wrote: It is my contention (and yours, it seems) that a router at the CPE is necessary. BINGO. Qwest DSL has a router at every customer. Ever taken a look

Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-28 Thread George Rogato
Patrick Leary wrote: Right guys, I accept all that may be true but even in the DSL world, customers provide their own routers and that is certainly true of commercial customers. Not in the Qwest DSL world. at least the resi stuff they sell. Comes with an actiontec or 2wire wireless router