RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-08 Thread Chadd Thompson
Agreed.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Mike Delp
. Call me at 618-206-4190 Or skype mike.delp Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces In our area So IL/metro St.Louis

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Dylan Oliver
Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your Carlyle pop. You are at the edge of our

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
+ 36 dBm EIRP Dylan Oliver wrote: Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did some checking, and I found I have eight towers within 10 miles of your north tower at your house, and five towers within 10 miles of your

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Yes 36 dBm. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Am I missing something, or is 36 dBm EIRP our limit? On 2/7/07, Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chadd, I did

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Chadd Thompson
Sorry, The signal was in the -70's not right at -70. It was mid to upper -70's from what I figured up they were putting out around 43dBm EIRP. I could also see the SSID of the AP so I know what town it was located in and it was/is a sectorized POP that would be around 30dBm radio input to a

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Well, either way, if it's an ap that talks to more than one client, it's max eirp is 4 watts. 36dB laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Steve, I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white space use might actually

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Steve, I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does. jack Steve Stroh wrote: Jack: Consider

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Mario Pommier
can you elaborate on HAD offers ... please? Thanks. Mario Steve Stroh wrote: You've HAD offers that have been refused... Thanks, Steve On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now. Independently and with

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of WISPs following the rules. The phrase I

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Steve, I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does. jack Steve Stroh wrote: Jack: Consider... To the television broadcasters, WISPs using

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Mac Dearman
DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces All, Remember, it only takes a few bad apples to make the whole industry look bad. Think about that the next time anyone wants to complain about the rules. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Patrick

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
-2181 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Yeah, for sure. However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How many times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an illegal network and never

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of WISPs following the rules. The phrase I

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro
: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Steve, I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does. jack Steve Stroh wrote: Jack: Consider... To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Forbes Mercy
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them? Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Brad Belton
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them? Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread John Scrivner
Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of WISPs following the rules

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
where the speedometer is located. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Chadd Thompson
, February 06, 2007 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I agree that MOST wisps are likely compliant. Unfortuneately, it won't stay that way, if we let the industry slowly deteriorate and slide. I think compliance is a message that continually needs to be revisited

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I got my blood pressure up. I am sorry. Say

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread cw
I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year the department of transportation decided to erect giant poles down the

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Patrick Leary
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the list of not playing nice. Our footprint is the Florida Keys. Last year the department of transportation

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Rich Comroe
- From: cw To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I don't know how you expect the industry to police itself when the FCC acts deaf. Next time you encounter a damnit remark, add state government to the list of not playing

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-05 Thread Steve Stroh
You've HAD offers that have been refused... Thanks, Steve On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now. Independently and with Cisco, New America, Media Access Project and I've recently had talks with the

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-05 Thread Steve Stroh
Patrick is correct - Flarion was working on 802.20 (full mobility broadband) which, with the borging of Flarion by Qualcomm, has essentially terminated. Mobile Broadband standards work now seems to have shifted fully over to 802.16e / Mobile WiMAX (which will be 100% licensed spectrum.)

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-05 Thread Steve Stroh
Jack: Consider... To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a we'll stay out of the way of any television broadcasting activity manner is the lesser of several other evils; television broadcasting has been steadily losing ground now; first 800 MHz was carved out of

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
Steve, I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does. jack Steve Stroh wrote: Jack: Consider... To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a we'll stay out of the way of

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Mario Pommier
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum becoming unlicensed? Then, I suppose a standard will have to be drafted and approved before we see any gear. So is that a couple of years if we're lucky before we can use sub-700Mhz to penetrate through trees in rural

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3 years of the FCC meat grinder. There is no IEEE standard or anything like that but the rules are as clear as any other unlicensed standard. Companies like

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread RickG
What kind of speed can be obtained on such low frequencies? -RickG On 1/24/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as 04-186 which has gone through about 3 years of the FCC meat grinder. There

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Steve Stroh
John: There IS an IEEE standard in the works for the TV whitespaces - 802.22 - http://www.ieee802.org/22/ Thanks, Steve On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 07:55 AM, John Scrivner wrote: The standard (as far as how gear can operate in the bands) has been created through the NPRM known as

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
and remain to be a WISPs #1 proponent!! Thanks for all you do. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces John

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Jack Unger
Likelihood of unlicensed??? My guess is that the established communications carriers and the broadcasters will fight the concept of license-free use of this space. I expect it will come down to who lobbies Congress most effectively. Mario Pommier wrote: Any info through the grapevine about

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
It depends on the depth of modulation used and other factors. In a 6 meg TV channel space I am guessing you could easily see 15 to 20 megabit aggregate throughput over a good coverage area. (Maybe 3 miles radius?) NOTE: The above are generalized best guesses on my part as I have never even

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread John Scrivner
I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared for any particular spectrum until now. Glad to hear the efforts are underway. Isn't Flarion's IP based closely on what will be 802.22? Was there an earlier effort for 802.22 standards development that was spectrum agnostic?

RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces I knew there was an 802.22 effort but I had no idea that it was geared for any

Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Message - From: Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum becoming unlicensed? Then, I suppose a standard

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys Here is the relevant paragraph. "The Notice proposed to require that

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-13 Thread John Scrivner
I do not know what you are asking. Marlon and I were debating what type of system we should try to get the FCC to allow us to use as a test bed system for experimentation with unused television channel space as a platform for broadband delivery. I think we are all talking about the same thing

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-13 Thread Jon Langeler
Marlon, I'm rather surprised that you would even mention 2.4GHz(wifi I assume) as a possible technology to use in these bands. Now that they have cellular technologies specifically designed for BWA purposes (Canopy and WIMAX are good examples) and given the possibility of a fresh start to

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread John Scrivner
I would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
12, 2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion

Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
ral List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technolo

RE: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Webster
-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:25 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys Here is the relevant paragraph. "The Notice proposed to require that fixed unlicensed de