Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Pete Davis
Hmmm.. I think they DO charge the recipient of the cell call. Even if its a land line, the recipient does have to pay for service, even if it is a unlimited minutes plan. Nobody has FREE phone service. Someone pays for the dial tone, even if its VOIP. The telephone system kind of IS the

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
From a marketing/sales perspective the proposed plan is a no win for the broadband providers. If I'm Comcast and I go to Google and say pay up or else, what is my follow through? If Google says no thank you as I'm sure they will, you have just told your customer that their internet

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Peter R.
In Tampa, if Road Runner cut off Google, 66% of the people would be cut off from Google. Many would complain. But how many would change if RR put up a similar search page? How many would switch? And to what?? Crappy, blinking DSL? In my area, my RR has been solid for 6 years. My DSL bounces

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS In Tampa

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
Peter R. wrote: In Tampa, if Road Runner cut off Google, 66% of the people would be cut off from Google. Many would complain. But how many would change if RR put up a similar search page? How many would switch? And to what?? Crappy, blinking DSL? In my area, my RR has been solid for 6 years.

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
Peter, That's where the argument hits the road. Since BB Provider choice is so limited, you will end up with a walled garden like Prodigy. But would that really be that bad for the ISP industry? (I don't believe I jsut said that :-) Going back to the old days where an ISP was both the

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS From a marketing/sales perspective the proposed plan

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Peter R.
What's more likely and already happening is that ATT will offer HD content but lock down your streams so that you cannot get anyone else's HD content. Already happening. Reported at DSL Prime. Did you comment to the FCC yet??? Many of you post a lot here. And are very wordy :) But have you put

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread Peter R.
Think about your cell phone. Do you get access to the entire Net or only some of it? Think about EVDO. Is it truly unlimited or are there rules and enforcement? It is not inconceivable that VZ and ATT would design a Prodigy type service and call it the Internet. Personally, I would like to

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
The cell phone analogy is a bit off target though, unless you want to charge the recipient of the cell call. The peering wars pretty much died in 95 when the fledgling internet business wouldn't tolerate it then. I highly doubt that it would put up with it now. If ATT, VZ, L3

Re: [WISPA] Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread Peter R.
Actually the cell phone analogy is what IMS is all about. IMS allows for deep packet inspection, so on EVDO or your cell phone, the carrier knows what you are doing. You have a very limited internet on most cell phone plans. I pay $10 extra per month and I am lucky if I can get the scores of