Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink Giga

2008-03-06 Thread Brad Belton
I believe we have one of the first units in the field.  I was told it was
#7.  Had a couple initial bumps with the gear during the installation, but
nothing Trango wasn't able to resolve overnight for us.

So far we've only had one issue with the gear not passing data.  No idea
what caused it, but a soft reboot resolved the problem.  Since then Trango
has upgraded the firmware of this link for us and we haven't had any
problems.  Not sure if you noticed the radar activity in the DFW area right
now, but it's been pretty red everywhere for a good part of the day and the
GigaLINK has been singing along without so much as a blip.  The gear has
been up since mid-late last year.

Best,


Brad



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Has anyone deployed these @ 18Ghz that is willing to give feedback? We
are wondering if they are beyond the initial bugs and are stable enough
for some important links.

Any feedback would be great! Thanks.

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-07-01 Thread Charles Wu
Hi John,

Thanks for taking the time to respond...as usually, listserv emails just
get typed out quickly late at night, and often are full of all sorts of
mistakes...This time around, I at least took the time to review what I
type once =)

That said, it would be great if you'd be willing to provide some
technical information about the TrangoLINK Giga, as all we have right
now is a lot of guesses

6.  TrangoLINK-Giga uses 256 QAM modulation to get 311+ Mbps FD (not
240 Mbps as Charles claims) using an 80 MHz channel.  

Using a 55 MHz channel...Horizon can achieve ~400 Mbps of FD
capacity...what's interesting here is that although it is technically
legal to license an 80 MHz channel under FCC 18 GHz rules, both
Dragonwave  Ceragon label their 56 MHz products under ETSI; if memory
serves me correctly, there were issues and reasons why most
manufacturers with experience in Part 101 don't recommend licensing 80
MHz channels, but I can't for the life of me recall, so I'm not going to
push it (now 23 GHz is another matter)

But back to apples to apples...

TrangoLINK-Giga 256QAM in 56 MHz Channel = ~300 (as high as 311+) Mbps
FD Throughput
Dragonwave Horizon 256 QAM in a 56 MHz Channel = ~400 (as high as 450+)
Mbps FD Throughput

Now, the next question would to ask regarding throughput would be
payload and architecture related

Horizon is a native Ethernet radio and has a built-in GigE port...line
rate, depending on ethernet frame size (e.g., 64 byte), I have seen
throughput tests as high as ~450 Mbps FD on the 56 MHz channel variant
(avg throughput comes out to about 400 Mbps FD)

I have a few questions about the TrangoLINK-Giga

1. Is it a native Ethernet radio? Or is it Ethernet over SONET...most
OEM manufacturers have SONET-based platforms (e.g., OC-3 / OC-6 /
etc); I've seen such systems suffer due to the overhead of Ethernet to
SONET packet translation issues?

2. Do you have any packet per second / packet size / throughput tests of
the TrangoLINK-Giga in just a lab environment?

3. How do you support TDM ports using adaptive modulation?

Using 128QAM TrangoLINK-Giga achieves 273 Mbps with a receive
sensitivity of -64.
(comparable to Charles' claim about Horizon) Now, to REALLY compare
apples to apples, take Horizon's (per Dragonwave's datasheet) 40 Mhz
channel 256 QAM 
(297 Mbps with RX sens of -60.5) and compare it to Trango 40 MHz
channel 256 QAM (240 Mbps with RX sens of -63.2).  It is not as
different as he implies.  

GigaLINK 128QAM: Rx Sens = -64 dBm
GigaLINK 256QAM: Rx Sens = -63.2 dBm

Something doesn't seem right about this number, a sampling of 6 other
radio manufacturers making similar products average 5-8 dB in Receive
Sensitivity loss when moving from 128QAM to 256QAM...Are you stating
that Trango only loses 0.8 dB of Rx sensitivty when moving from 128 to
256QAM?

-Charles

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-06-28 Thread John Seaman

 Let me try this again... Apparently it didn't go through yesterday.

-Original Message-
From: John Seaman 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

I wanted to set the record straight on few points here...

Points 1-5:  It is true the that TrangoLINK-Giga utilizes 56 MHz of
spectrum to achieve throughput of 300+ Mbps. 56 MHz happens to be an
ETSI (European) approved channel size.   In the US, users can obtain
(contrary to Charles claim) single 80 MHz liceneses at the same price as
40 MHz license.   Charles' claim that you need to pay for two separate
licenses is not true. The TrangoLINK-Giga system provides 311+ Mbps full
duplex IP connectivity with one license.

6.  TrangoLINK-Giga uses 256 QAM modulation to get 311+ Mbps FD (not 240
Mbps as Charles claims) using an 80 MHz channel.  Using 128QAM
TrangoLINK-Giga achieves 273 Mbps with a receive sensitivity of -64.
(comparable to Charles' claim about Horizon) Now, to REALLY compare
apples to apples, take Horizon's (per Dragonwave's datasheet) 40 Mhz
channel 256 QAM (297 Mbps with RX sens of -60.5) and compare it to
Trango 40 MHz channel 256 QAM (240 Mbps with RX sens of -63.2).  It is
not as different as he implies.  

7.  Again.. Charles statement is misleading.. He is comparing the output
power of the basic Horizon to the Horizon high power version and noting
a 7 dB difference between them.  As per the Trango datasheet, the output
power of the TrangoLINK-Giga (which depends on the modulation scheme)
ranges from +17 dBm to + 20 dBm.. which is comparable to the high power
version of Horizon for the higher modulation modes... And considerably
higher than the Horizon base model.  TrangoLINK-Giga has very comparable
system gain figures with the Horizon high power version (which I assume
costs more).  Yes, the Horizon (High Power Version) power is higher for
the slower modulation modes.

8-11. TrangoLINK-Giga is indeed a new product and Trango has in place a
dedicated, experienced, hard working team working dilligently to ensure
a smooth launch of this exciting new product.  We are keenly aware that
the initial success of this product will largely depend on the
trouble-free deployments and operation for all of our eager early
adopters.  

If anyone would like more info or clarification please do not hesitate
to contact me.  Please note that my posting is not intended to discredit
Dragonwave.

Thanks and best regards,

John Seaman
Sales Director
Trango Broadband Wireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

Its important to remember... There are two relevent prices to
consider
Entry Cost and Full Speed Cost.

Sure, let's compare apples to apples, to start:

OVERALL THROUGHPUT

1. The TrangoLINK Giga requires 56 MHz of spectrum to get 311 Mb of FD
throughput...the FCC doesn't allow someone to license a 56 MHz channel,
so to run at this date rate, you would have to license 2 adjacent
channels (2x the license cost, and at ~ $3500 / link, it's nothing to
sneeze at)

2. From an entry point perspective, if you only license 1 channel to
start (e.g., aren't using the data throughput), there's no way to
reserve that adjacent channel...you have to hope / pray that in the
time period that you scale that no one licenses your neighboring
channel

3. Under Part 101, it is technically illegal to just squat on the
frequency by grabbing that extra channel...you have to use it or you
lose it

4. That said, if we're only going to use a single channel, the Full
Speed upgrade point of the TrangoLINK Giga is 240 Mb FD, NOT 300 Mb

5. From a comparison perspective, Horizon has a max capacity of 350 Mbps
FD on a single FCC channel (so it's 350 vs 240)

RF PERFORMANCE

6. From a raw performance perspective, TrangoLINK Giga requires 256 QAM
modulation to get 240 Mb FD...Horizon does 270 Mb FD with 128 QAM; the
difference in receive sensitivity between 128 QAM to 256 QAM can be
anywhere from 5-10 dB

7. High Power -- not sure about the specs of the TrangoLINK Giga, but
having a High Power variant gives Horizon an extra 7 dB worth of output
power...depending on the frequency, that can be almost 2' worth of
antenna

RELIABILITY

8. Like it or not, the probability of issues in a first revision of any
hardware manufacturer's product is extremely high...Dragonwave has been
producing licensed point-to-point radios for over 5 years and is on the
3rd generation of its hardware platform...

9. Trango's past 2 first revisions of hardware almost inevitably
fails...look at their last several new products (I'm talking
reengineered...HD Mesh is just Atlas + Mikrotik + glue, 2.4 GHz was
based upon 900)...Atlas, 900 MHz...to me, it seems like it usually takes
them about 1 year to get something to work properly...maybe 3rd

Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Tom DeReggi

Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for $10K-$12K.
Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other 
manufacturers to drop their prices also.
Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as soon as 
manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a product for 
WISPs.
The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs until 
now?


With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor driving 
the price down.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly

Trango's entry into the Licensed space.

In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
shipping today in the US

NEC
Alcatel
Harris Stratex
Nera
Ceragon
Dragonwave
AdTran
Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
Proxim
Ericson
Microwave Data Systems
Microwave Networks
Gigacom

Dunno how it's that exciting

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
At this time, I'm not saying whether I'm choosing Dragonwave or Trango, or 
both.


But I will say there are other factors to consider in favor of choosing 
Trango.

Dealing with a Manufacturer that one has a history with, or vice versa.
Once a WISP builds credabilty up with a manufacturer, its hard to walk away 
from thatrelationship.

Loyalty to manufacturer and vice versa has its advantages.
If I ask Trango to send me a GigaLink tommorrow (provided it was a released 
product available to ship), it would be here in 48 hours on my door step.
If I asked Dragonwave to send me a Horizon tommorrow, they'd send me a 
credit app, and the address to wire funds to.
What happens if one of these things fail in teh field in a given month, and 
cash flow was temporarilly depleated, would I get a replacement radio 
overnighted or another Credit app sent over to fill out?

Thats just one of many example, a strong vendor relationship could offer..
I know the name of the majority of Trango's staff, and the majority of them 
kow my name.

That type of relationship is priceless.
Its not just about the technical comparison.
Its stuff like the Trango advisory summits, where they allocated the 
majority of core relevent staff to attend an event, and paid for relevent 
WISPs to travel and come educate them on our needs.
These are not just sales siminars like Road Shows. They paid for our lobby 
effort to them, NOT OUR EXPENSE! That is huge.

These things go along way.

I'm not saying that the same relationship can't be developed with a company 
like Dragonwave (new to us), or for that matter CTI (a company we know well, 
and knows us well).

I'm just saying, its starting from ground zero, with a new manufacturer.
Maybe a bridge that CTI already has constructed, to fill the gap.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the

volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.

If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in

a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30%
more links

up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first,

considering the future potential reward.

I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of being first...and
spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk

There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco OFDM Wireless stuff
back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked

There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive Broadband stuff back
in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and they finally only got
it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory at $0 cost that
writing software was almost a moot point


If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have

plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
deployments.

I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that WORKS TODAY vs.
spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY

That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same price as Horizon, and
doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade path that Horizon has
(see my earlier email about channel size)

So, the better question to ask, would be, given a choice between 2
providers (who are both incidentally about the same size), would I
rather

1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY WORK with a small
company that has 5 years of building licensed backhauls and is 100%
committed to building licensed backhauls today and tomorrow

Or

2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12 MONTHS with a small
company that has just released its first backhaul line but also still
needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a wireless video
surveillance line, a mesh line, etc

-Charles


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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Travis Johnson
I have a price quote for a Dragonwave 18ghz licensed link from 6 months 
ago for that price range. ;)


Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for 
$10K-$12K.
Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other 
manufacturers to drop their prices also.
Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as 
soon as manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a 
product for WISPs.
The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs 
until now?


With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor 
driving the price down.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly

Trango's entry into the Licensed space.

In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
shipping today in the US

NEC
Alcatel
Harris Stratex
Nera
Ceragon
Dragonwave
AdTran
Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
Proxim
Ericson
Microwave Data Systems
Microwave Networks
Gigacom

Dunno how it's that exciting

-Charles

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Brad Belton
That was probably for Rev3 gear.  I believe that deal is no longer
available, but I could be wrong.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

I have a price quote for a Dragonwave 18ghz licensed link from 6 months 
ago for that price range. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Because until two months ago, there wasn't a licensed radio for 
 $10K-$12K.
 Its price competition from companies like Trango, that forces other 
 manufacturers to drop their prices also.
 Its the message that Licensed is not jsut for carriers anymore, as 
 soon as manufacturers that historically targeted WISPs, start making a 
 product for WISPs.
 The technology has been available for years, why not the lower costs 
 until now?

 With that said, I recognize that Dragonwave also is a key competitor 
 driving the price down.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:12 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


 I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly
 Trango's entry into the Licensed space.

 In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
 manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
 shipping today in the US

 NEC
 Alcatel
 Harris Stratex
 Nera
 Ceragon
 Dragonwave
 AdTran
 Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
 Proxim
 Ericson
 Microwave Data Systems
 Microwave Networks
 Gigacom

 Dunno how it's that exciting

 -Charles

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed, but I think all the excitement was anticipating a new low price
point that Trango was promising.  Trango did come in a bit cheaper, but not
cheap enough to really create any street parties.

Basically the money is the same between DragonWave and Trango, but Trango
gives you 100MB for DragonWave's 50MB price.

Does that sound about right?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly
Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  

In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
shipping today in the US

NEC
Alcatel
Harris Stratex
Nera
Ceragon
Dragonwave
AdTran
Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
Proxim
Ericson
Microwave Data Systems
Microwave Networks
Gigacom

Dunno how it's that exciting

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Tom: I recall providing wireless bachauls to a big
utilty.  Even though they are a billion dollar
utility, I still provided technical training and
lunch for all their communiation technicians. It was
much appreciated by the client. I also recall
providing backhaul training to my WISP.  I also
provided a nice conference room, lunch, etc.  The WISP
was VERY appreciated.  So you make some very good
points about building busines relationships.

However, the other challenge however is that some of
my customers asked me to be careful in providing
luxurious lunches/training etc because of their
company policy to not accept gifts or anything free.  

So it really depends on the circumstance. But good
points.

Felix
Wireless Practioner


--- Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At this time, I'm not saying whether I'm choosing
 Dragonwave or Trango, or 
 both.
 
 But I will say there are other factors to consider
 in favor of choosing 
 Trango.
 Dealing with a Manufacturer that one has a history
 with, or vice versa.
 Once a WISP builds credabilty up with a
 manufacturer, its hard to walk away 
 from thatrelationship.
 Loyalty to manufacturer and vice versa has its
 advantages.
 If I ask Trango to send me a GigaLink tommorrow
 (provided it was a released 
 product available to ship), it would be here in 48
 hours on my door step.
 If I asked Dragonwave to send me a Horizon
 tommorrow, they'd send me a 
 credit app, and the address to wire funds to.
 What happens if one of these things fail in teh
 field in a given month, and 
 cash flow was temporarilly depleated, would I get a
 replacement radio 
 overnighted or another Credit app sent over to fill
 out?
 Thats just one of many example, a strong vendor
 relationship could offer..
 I know the name of the majority of Trango's staff,
 and the majority of them 
 kow my name.
 That type of relationship is priceless.
 Its not just about the technical comparison.
 Its stuff like the Trango advisory summits, where
 they allocated the 
 majority of core relevent staff to attend an event,
 and paid for relevent 
 WISPs to travel and come educate them on our needs.
 These are not just sales siminars like Road Shows.
 They paid for our lobby 
 effort to them, NOT OUR EXPENSE! That is huge.
 These things go along way.
 
 I'm not saying that the same relationship can't be
 developed with a company 
 like Dragonwave (new to us), or for that matter CTI
 (a company we know well, 
 and knows us well).
 I'm just saying, its starting from ground zero, with
 a new manufacturer.
 Maybe a bridge that CTI already has constructed, to
 fill the gap.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:59 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
 
 
 That statement, really depends on the price that is
 relased, and the
 volume the buyer is considering, as well as their
 time frame.
 If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million
 on Licensed gear in
 a year, and the price is really good, allowing the
 provider to get 30%
 more links
 up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk
 being the first,
 considering the future potential reward.
 
 I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of
 being first...and
 spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk
 
 There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco
 OFDM Wireless stuff
 back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked
 
 There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive
 Broadband stuff back
 in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and
 they finally only got
 it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory
 at $0 cost that
 writing software was almost a moot point
 
 If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the
 year, they have
 plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the
 bulk of the
 deployments.
 
 I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that
 WORKS TODAY vs.
 spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY
 
 That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same
 price as Horizon, and
 doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade
 path that Horizon has
 (see my earlier email about channel size)
 
 So, the better question to ask, would be, given a
 choice between 2
 providers (who are both incidentally about the same
 size), would I
 rather
 
 1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY
 WORK with a small
 company that has 5 years of building licensed
 backhauls and is 100%
 committed to building licensed backhauls today and
 tomorrow
 
 Or
 
 2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12
 MONTHS with a small
 company that has just released its first backhaul
 line but also still
 needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a
 wireless video
 surveillance line, a mesh line, etc
 
 -Charles
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-06-26 Thread Tom DeReggi

Charles,

This post of yours, is getting into the meat and potatos of what we need to 
know to make a fair comparison.

see responses in line


.the FCC doesn't allow someone to license a 56 MHz channel,
so to run at this date rate, you would have to license 2 adjacent
channels (2x the license cost, and at ~ $3500 / link, it's nothing to
sneeze at)


To be accurate, I'm not convinved licensing two channels cost double $3500.
Maybe that is what You charge, but not the FCC.


3. Under Part 101, it is technically illegal to just squat on the
frequency by grabbing that extra channel...you have to use it or you
lose it


Other than cost, what prevents a WISP from licensing both channels? What 
method of proof is required, to show need and use to the FCC, to meet legal 
requirement?



5. From a comparison perspective, Horizon has a max capacity of 350 Mbps
FD on a single FCC channel (so it's 350 vs 240)


At what penalty, to acheive 350?
For hypothetical example, 350 reducing range compared to 240 with Giga link?


6. From a raw performance perspective, TrangoLINK Giga requires 256 QAM
modulation to get 240 Mb FD...Horizon does 270 Mb FD with 128 QAM; the
difference in receive sensitivity between 128 QAM to 256 QAM can be
anywhere from 5-10 dB


How is this possible, that Horizon can acheive BOTH lower modulation and 
smaller channel size, while maintaining higher throughput?

Its hard to believe. How are they beating physics?


7. High Power -- not sure about the specs of the TrangoLINK Giga, but
having a High Power variant gives Horizon an extra 7 dB worth of output
power...depending on the frequency, that can be almost 2' worth of
antenna


Definately a plus, for those longer range links, and landlords finicky on 
antenna size limits.

As you state, Trango's output power needs defining, to know if an advantage.


10. Dragonwave is a company that is focused exclusively and is committed
to backhaul; it also has a product roadmaps for AirPair that allow for
future upgradability (AirPair has a roadmap that will get it to 1 GB+ in

the future)

Doesn't the Trango Gigalink also have a migration path to 600mbps?

With all said, the competitive analisys is not just against other Licensed 
manufacturers.
The competition is Gigabit MW gear.  Best of Class MW gear can reliably 
achieve 2 mile in high rain regions at 4- 9s, with 2 ft parabolics.
The purpose of Licensed is to gain farther distances at capacities as close 
to GB as possible, and lower cost.


So the challenge is how far can manufacturer's go in licensed, at Highest 
speeds?


For apples to apples comparison, with 2 ft dishes on both ends, w/ 18Ghz, 
how far can we go to deliver 4- 9's reliabilty or better, at peak speed 
(240mbps or higher) with the various manufacturers?  How many roof top 
leases can I by pass, to enable me to build out my backbone network in a 
region, using these manufacturers?


What can Horizon accomplish?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-26 Thread Tom DeReggi

It does, and giving double the capacity for same dollars is HUGE.

Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



Agreed, but I think all the excitement was anticipating a new low price
point that Trango was promising.  Trango did come in a bit cheaper, but 
not

cheap enough to really create any street parties.

Basically the money is the same between DragonWave and Trango, but Trango
gives you 100MB for DragonWave's 50MB price.

Does that sound about right?

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:13 PM
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I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly

Trango's entry into the Licensed space.

In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
shipping today in the US

NEC
Alcatel
Harris Stratex
Nera
Ceragon
Dragonwave
AdTran
Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
Proxim
Ericson
Microwave Data Systems
Microwave Networks
Gigacom

Dunno how it's that exciting

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-06-24 Thread Charles Wu
Several things

1. Dragonwave PoE is not standard b/c it's virtually impossible b/c in
a GigE setup, there's no unused pairs

2. Horizon is approximately 25% cheaper than AirPair, with a comparable
entry point list price LOWER than the Orthogon / Motorola Gemini / 60 Mb
Backhaul (20 Mb FLEX vs Gemini's 20 Mb FD Throughput)

3. Horizon is software upgradable from as low as 10 Mb to 350 Mb on a
single FCC channel (400 Mb if you bond 2 channels together)


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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Not sure... but Dragonwave's PoE is not standard PoE... you have to
purchase their expensive, proprietary cables with the radios... so if
you are running a new cable, why not just run LMR400 and not ever have
to worry about it again?

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:
 So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe

  

 Gino A. Villarini
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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

  

 No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango 
 and Dragonwave.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Gino Villarini wrote: 

 That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?
  
 Gino A. Villarini
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
  
 Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
 would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
 100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar

 Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)
  
 Travis
 Microserv
  
 Matt Liotta wrote:
   

   Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to
the
   person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if
it 
 was
   

  
   

   based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what
 most 
   people are expecting out of Trango price wise.

   -Matt

   Tom DeReggi wrote:
   

   Charles,

   That statement, really depends on the price that is
 relased, and the 
   volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time
 frame.
   If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on
 Licensed gear 
   in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the
 provider to get
 

  
   

   30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a
 risk being 
   the first, considering the future potential reward.  If
 the WISP's 
   timeline is also spread out over the year, they have
 plenty of time 
   to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
 deployments.  The 
   golden question right now is, what price is Trango going
 to be at? 
   The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry
 point, just 
   because Trango has Always delivered industry leading
 price point, to 
   jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However,
 prior to seeing
 

  
   

   the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper
 hand, for 
   potentially being able to be the price leader based on
 their all 
   outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half
 indoor/outdoor.

   I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for
 me, is 
   clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I
 selected them once
 

  
   

   for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do
 it again, if 
   they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of
 innovated 
   products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.

   With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC
 workshop this
 

  
   

   week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act
 to follow.  
   The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management
 platform and 
   infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave
 is also very 
   highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product

RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-06-24 Thread Charles Wu
Its important to remember... There are two relevent prices to
consider
Entry Cost and Full Speed Cost.

Sure, let's compare apples to apples, to start:

OVERALL THROUGHPUT

1. The TrangoLINK Giga requires 56 MHz of spectrum to get 311 Mb of FD
throughput...the FCC doesn't allow someone to license a 56 MHz channel,
so to run at this date rate, you would have to license 2 adjacent
channels (2x the license cost, and at ~ $3500 / link, it's nothing to
sneeze at)

2. From an entry point perspective, if you only license 1 channel to
start (e.g., aren't using the data throughput), there's no way to
reserve that adjacent channel...you have to hope / pray that in the
time period that you scale that no one licenses your neighboring
channel

3. Under Part 101, it is technically illegal to just squat on the
frequency by grabbing that extra channel...you have to use it or you
lose it

4. That said, if we're only going to use a single channel, the Full
Speed upgrade point of the TrangoLINK Giga is 240 Mb FD, NOT 300 Mb

5. From a comparison perspective, Horizon has a max capacity of 350 Mbps
FD on a single FCC channel (so it's 350 vs 240)

RF PERFORMANCE

6. From a raw performance perspective, TrangoLINK Giga requires 256 QAM
modulation to get 240 Mb FD...Horizon does 270 Mb FD with 128 QAM; the
difference in receive sensitivity between 128 QAM to 256 QAM can be
anywhere from 5-10 dB

7. High Power -- not sure about the specs of the TrangoLINK Giga, but
having a High Power variant gives Horizon an extra 7 dB worth of output
power...depending on the frequency, that can be almost 2' worth of
antenna

RELIABILITY

8. Like it or not, the probability of issues in a first revision of any
hardware manufacturer's product is extremely high...Dragonwave has been
producing licensed point-to-point radios for over 5 years and is on the
3rd generation of its hardware platform...

9. Trango's past 2 first revisions of hardware almost inevitably
fails...look at their last several new products (I'm talking
reengineered...HD Mesh is just Atlas + Mikrotik + glue, 2.4 GHz was
based upon 900)...Atlas, 900 MHz...to me, it seems like it usually takes
them about 1 year to get something to work properly...maybe 3rd time is
the charm?

That said...it's one thing to be first when it's only $1-2k, but $10k+
makes it a bit more painful when you've got to wait 6+ months for them
to get it to work right

ROADMAP

10. Dragonwave is a company that is focused exclusively and is committed
to backhaul; it also has a product roadmaps for AirPair that allow for
future upgradability (AirPair has a roadmap that will get it to 1 GB+ in
the future)

11. Trango builds a product and a market, and then moves on

Some food for thought

-Charles

Operating Manager
CTI - WISPA Paid Vendor Member  Dragonwave Distributor

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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:54 PM
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Trango appears to have a MUCH better price point, considering upgraded
to full speed.
Although, I'm having difficulty getting confirmation on Dragonwave's
Full capacity Best price, to be certain.

Its also important to understand that there is a undisputed reliabilty
advantage of having a combo indoor/outdoor model, regardless of whether
an Outdoor model is mroe convenient and preferred by many WISPs. I guess
I'm saying We should be comparing apples to apples, Airpair to
TrangoGigalink, and not fair to compare Trango to Horizon prices because
of that..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe



Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and
Dragonwave.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:

That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the
100Mbps full-duplex version

RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-24 Thread Charles Wu
That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in
a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30%
more links 
up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first,
considering the future potential reward.   

I would argue that there is ALWAYS MASSIVE risk of being first...and
spending 1/4 - 1/2 only MAGNIFIES that risk

There are people who spent $$$ millions on Cisco OFDM Wireless stuff
back in the mid-late 90s...that never worked

There are people who spent $$$ millions on Adaptive Broadband stuff back
in the late 90s...it didn't work for 5 years, and they finally only got
it working b/c there was so much bankrupt inventory at $0 cost that
writing software was almost a moot point

If the WISP's timeline is also spread out over the year, they have
plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
deployments.  

I personally would rather spend $12k on a link that WORKS TODAY vs.
spending $10k on a link that MIGHT WORK SOMEDAY

That said, the TrangoLINK Giga is about the same price as Horizon, and
doesn't have anywhere near the throughput upgrade path that Horizon has
(see my earlier email about channel size)

So, the better question to ask, would be, given a choice between 2
providers (who are both incidentally about the same size), would I
rather

1. Spend $10k on a backhaul THAT WILL DEFINITELY WORK with a small
company that has 5 years of building licensed backhauls and is 100%
committed to building licensed backhauls today and tomorrow

Or

2. Spend $10 on a backhaul THAT MIGHT WORK IN 6-12 MONTHS with a small
company that has just released its first backhaul line but also still
needs to support a point-to-multipoint line, a wireless video
surveillance line, a mesh line, etc

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-24 Thread Charles Wu
I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly
Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  

In no particular order, here's a quick list of other licensed radio
manufacturers off the top of my head w/ licensed Part 101 products
shipping today in the US

NEC
Alcatel
Harris Stratex
Nera
Ceragon
Dragonwave
AdTran
Unity Wireless (Wit-Com)
Proxim
Ericson
Microwave Data Systems
Microwave Networks
Gigacom

Dunno how it's that exciting

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-23 Thread Tom DeReggi

Its important to remember... There are two relevent prices to consider

Entry Cost and Full Speed Cost.

Trango appears to have a MUCH better price point, considering upgraded to 
full speed.
Although, I'm having difficulty getting confirmation on Dragonwave's Full 
capacity Best price, to be certain.


Its also important to understand that there is a undisputed reliabilty 
advantage of having a combo indoor/outdoor model, regardless of whether an 
Outdoor model is mroe convenient and preferred by many WISPs. I guess I'm 
saying We should be comparing apples to apples, Airpair to TrangoGigalink, 
and not fair to compare Trango to Horizon prices because of that..


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe



Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga



No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and
Dragonwave.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:

That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)

Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:


Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to
the
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if
it was





based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what
most
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.

-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:


Charles,

That statement, really depends on the price that is
relased, and the
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time
frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on
Licensed gear
in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the
provider to get





30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a
risk being
the first, considering the future potential reward.  If
the WISP's
timeline is also spread out over the year, they have
plenty of time
to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
deployments.  The
golden question right now is, what price is Trango going
to be at?
The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry
point, just
because Trango has Always delivered industry leading
price point, to
jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However,
prior to seeing





the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper
hand, for
potentially being able to be the price leader based on
their all
outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half
indoor/outdoor.

I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for
me, is
clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I
selected them once





for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do
it again, if
they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of
innovated
products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.

With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC
workshop this





week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act
to follow.
The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management
platform and
infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave
is also very
highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product
to their
line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats
a product
line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed
Backhaul, GB
near interference-free last mile.

Tom DeReggi







Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


The  question with Trango always is who wants to be
first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles


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On


Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Tom DeReggi

Charles,

That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the volume 
the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in a 
year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% more 
links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the first, 
considering the future potential reward.  If the WISP's timeline is also 
spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to wait for bug fixes, 
before the bulk of the deployments.  The golden question right now is, what 
price is Trango going to be at? The prospective buyers are predicting a low 
cost entry point, just because Trango has Always delivered industry leading 
price point, to jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However, prior 
to seeing the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for 
potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all outdoor 
design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor.


I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly 
Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I selected them once for their 
Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they follow their 
own suit with the initial mentality of innovated products, such as the 5830 
product line in it's day.


With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this week. 
These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow.  The Dragon 
wave vision is to have a single management platform and infrastructure 
design for all your needs.  Dragon wave is also very highly considering 
launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, in the near future. 
Could you imagine that?  Thats a product line that could bring WISPs to 
carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near interference-free last mile.


Tom DeReggi







Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles


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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it
compare to similar products?

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Matt Liotta
Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the 
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was 
based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most 
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.


-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Charles,

That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the 
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear in 
a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 30% 
more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being the 
first, considering the future potential reward.  If the WISP's 
timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time to 
wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments.  The golden 
question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? The 
prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just because 
Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to jump 
start volume adoption in the industry.  However, prior to seeing the 
price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for 
potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all 
outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor.


I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is clearly 
Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I selected them once for 
their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if they 
follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated 
products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.


With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this 
week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow.  
The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and 
infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave is also very 
highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their line, 
in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats a product line that 
could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB near 
interference-free last mile.


Tom DeReggi







Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles


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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it
compare to similar products?

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread George Rogato

Matt Liotta wrote:
 I will say it is in line with what most

people are expecting out of Trango price wise.

-Matt


And that price is?
:)

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar 
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)


Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:
Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the 
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was 
based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most 
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.


-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Charles,

That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the 
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear 
in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get 
30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being 
the first, considering the future potential reward.  If the WISP's 
timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time 
to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments.  The 
golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? 
The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just 
because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to 
jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However, prior to seeing 
the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for 
potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all 
outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor.


I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is 
clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I selected them once 
for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if 
they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated 
products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.


With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this 
week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow.  
The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and 
infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave is also very 
highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their 
line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats a product 
line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB 
near interference-free last mile.


Tom DeReggi







Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles


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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM
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Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product? How does it
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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Gino Villarini
That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar 
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)

Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:
 Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the 
 person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was

 based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most 
 people are expecting out of Trango price wise.

 -Matt

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Charles,

 That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the 
 volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
 If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear 
 in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get

 30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being 
 the first, considering the future potential reward.  If the WISP's 
 timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time 
 to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments.  The 
 golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? 
 The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just 
 because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to 
 jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However, prior to seeing

 the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for 
 potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all 
 outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor.

 I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is 
 clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I selected them once

 for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if 
 they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated 
 products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.

 With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this

 week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow.  
 The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and 
 infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave is also very 
 highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their 
 line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats a product 
 line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB 
 near interference-free last mile.

 Tom DeReggi







 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


 The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

 (Free beta testers don't count)

 -Charles


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On
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 Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:43 PM
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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Travis Johnson




No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango
and Dragonwave.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:

  That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar 
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)

Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:
  
  
Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to the 
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if it was

  
  
  
  
based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what most 
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.

-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:


  Charles,

That statement, really depends on the price that is relased, and the 
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on Licensed gear 
in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the provider to get
  

  
  
  
  

  30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a risk being 
the first, considering the future potential reward.  If the WISP's 
timeline is also spread out over the year, they have plenty of time 
to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the deployments.  The 
golden question right now is, what price is Trango going to be at? 
The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry point, just 
because Trango has Always delivered industry leading price point, to 
jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However, prior to seeing
  

  
  
  
  

  the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper hand, for 
potentially being able to be the price leader based on their all 
outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half indoor/outdoor.

I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for me, is 
clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I selected them once
  

  
  
  
  

  for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if 
they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of innovated 
products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.

With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC workshop this
  

  
  
  
  

  week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act to follow.  
The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management platform and 
infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave is also very 
highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product to their 
line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats a product 
line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed Backhaul, GB 
near interference-free last mile.

Tom DeReggi







Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga


The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles


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  On
  
  

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RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Gino Villarini
So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe

 

Gino A. Villarini 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

 

No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and
Dragonwave.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote: 

That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?
 
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
 
Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar 
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)
 
Travis
Microserv
 
Matt Liotta wrote:
  

Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to
the 
person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if
it was


 
  

based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what
most 
people are expecting out of Trango price wise.
 
-Matt
 
Tom DeReggi wrote:


Charles,
 
That statement, really depends on the price that is
relased, and the 
volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time
frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on
Licensed gear 
in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the
provider to get
  

 
  

30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a
risk being 
the first, considering the future potential reward.  If
the WISP's 
timeline is also spread out over the year, they have
plenty of time 
to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
deployments.  The 
golden question right now is, what price is Trango going
to be at? 
The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry
point, just 
because Trango has Always delivered industry leading
price point, to 
jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However,
prior to seeing
  

 
  

the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper
hand, for 
potentially being able to be the price leader based on
their all 
outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half
indoor/outdoor.
 
I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for
me, is 
clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I
selected them once
  

 
  

for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do
it again, if 
they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of
innovated 
products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.
 
With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC
workshop this
  

 
  

week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act
to follow.  
The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management
platform and 
infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave
is also very 
highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product
to their 
line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats
a product 
line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed
Backhaul, GB 
near interference-free last mile.
 
Tom DeReggi
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
- Original Message - From: Charles Wu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
 
 
The  question with Trango always is who wants to be
first...
 
(Free beta testers don't count)
 
-Charles

Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Not sure... but Dragonwave's PoE is not standard PoE... you have to 
purchase their expensive, proprietary cables with the radios... so if 
you are running a new cable, why not just run LMR400 and not ever have 
to worry about it again?


Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote:

So basically the Horizon would be the same or less and its poe

 

Gino A. Villarini 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

 


No... this was for their IDU/ODU fixed 100Mbps unit from both Trango and
Dragonwave.

Travis
Microserv

Gino Villarini wrote: 


That's the new dragonwave horizon pricing?
 
Gino A. Villarini

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
 
Honestly I was a little disappointed with the pricing... I thought it 
would be more aggressive from the newest player on the block. For the 
100Mbps full-duplex version, it was only about 25% less than a similar 
Dragonwave setup. I guess I was hoping for more like 50% less. :)
 
Travis

Microserv
 
Matt Liotta wrote:
  


Our Trango rep provided us with a price quote. I didn't speak to
the 
	person directly, so I don't know if I am allowed to share or if

it was
	

 
  


based on a volume commitment. I will say it is in line with what
most 
	people are expecting out of Trango price wise.
	 
	-Matt
	 
	Tom DeReggi wrote:
	


Charles,
		 
		That statement, really depends on the price that is
relased, and the 
		volume the buyer is considering, as well as their time

frame.
If someone is planning on dropping 1/4-1/2 million on
Licensed gear 
		in a year, and the price is really good, allowing the

provider to get
		  

 
  


30% more links up for the same dollar, its not much of a
risk being 
		the first, considering the future potential reward.  If
the WISP's 
		timeline is also spread out over the year, they have
plenty of time 
		to wait for bug fixes, before the bulk of the
deployments.  The 
		golden question right now is, what price is Trango going
to be at? 
		The prospective buyers are predicting a low cost entry
point, just 
		because Trango has Always delivered industry leading
price point, to 
		jump start volume adoption in the industry.  However,

prior to seeing
		  

 
  


the price released, I'll say Dragon wave has the upper
hand, for 
		potentially being able to be the price leader based on
their all 
		outdoor design, compared to Trango's half and half

indoor/outdoor.
		 
		I will tell you, the most exciting news of the year for
me, is 
		clearly Trango's entry into the Licensed space.  I

selected them once
		  

 
  


for their Superior designs, and wouldn't hesitate to do
it again, if 
		they follow their own suit with the initial mentality of
innovated 
		products, such as the 5830 product line in it's day.
		 
		With that said... I spoke with Dragon Wave, at the IWPC

workshop this
		  

 
  


week. These guys get it, and is going to be a tough act
to follow.  
		The Dragon wave vision is to have a single management
platform and 
		infrastructure design for all your needs.  Dragon wave
is also very 
		highly considering launching an E-band or 60Ghz product
to their 
		line, in the near future. Could you imagine that?  Thats
a product 
		line that could bring WISPs to carrier class. Licensed
Backhaul, GB 
		near interference-free last mile.
		 
		Tom DeReggi
		 
		 
		 
		 
		 
		 
		 
		Tom DeReggi

RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
		 
		 
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		Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 PM

Subject: RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
		 
		 
		The  question with Trango always is who wants to be

first...
		 
		(Free beta testers don't count)
		 
		-Charles
		 
		 
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On
  


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Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
		 
		Anyone have any experience with Trango's new product

RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-18 Thread Charles Wu
The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles 


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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga

2007-06-18 Thread Travis Johnson

I'd be happy to even get a price quote from them... :(

Travis
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Charles Wu wrote:

The  question with Trango always is who wants to be first...

(Free beta testers don't count)

-Charles 



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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread Tom DeReggi

E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles


Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest 
Rain/Fog zones (Fade).

Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick 
at it.



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http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in 
any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
environment.


Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread Gino Villarini
George

How much bandwidth needed, range ?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles

Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
highest 
Rain/Fog zones (Fade).
Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
quick 
 at it.


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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Charles Wu wrote:
 Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios
from
 Dragonwave

 As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
 (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before
InterOp
 in Vegas)

 Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new
Trango
 =/

 -Charles


 I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

 But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate
in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

 It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
 environment.

 Any suggestions with pricing?

 It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

 George
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato
I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 
would be good.
It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig 
and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.


George


Gino Villarini wrote:

George

How much bandwidth needed, range ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles


Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
highest 
Rain/Fog zones (Fade).

Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
quick 

at it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios

from

Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before

InterOp

in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new

Trango

=/

-Charles


I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate
in 

any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
environment.


Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Range ?

Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100

would be good.
It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig 
and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.

George


Gino Villarini wrote:
 George
 
 How much bandwidth needed, range ?
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
 
 E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles
 
 Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
 highest 
 Rain/Fog zones (Fade).
 Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
 He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.
 
 
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
 
 
 Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
 quick 
 at it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Charles Wu wrote:
 Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios
 from
 Dragonwave

 As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in
beta
 (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before
 InterOp
 in Vegas)

 Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new
 Trango
 =/

 -Charles

 I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

 But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate
 in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

 It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
 environment.

 Any suggestions with pricing?

 It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato

Range is about 2.5 miles
It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We 
also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless 
there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies.


George

Gino Villarini wrote:

Range ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100

would be good.
It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig 
and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.


George


Gino Villarini wrote:

George

How much bandwidth needed, range ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On

Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles

Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
highest 
Rain/Fog zones (Fade).

Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
quick 

at it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios

from

Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in

beta

(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before

InterOp

in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new

Trango

=/

-Charles


I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate
in 

any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
environment.


Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato

Whats under 15k and licensed?
George

Tom DeReggi wrote:

E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles


Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the 
highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade).

Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn 
quick at it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate 
in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
environment.


Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps
Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon)

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

Range is about 2.5 miles
It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We 
also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless 
there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies.

George

Gino Villarini wrote:
 Range ?
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
 
 I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs.
100
 
 would be good.
 It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen
5gig 
 and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.
 
 George
 
 
 Gino Villarini wrote:
 George

 How much bandwidth needed, range ?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

 E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles
 Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
 highest 
 Rain/Fog zones (Fade).
 Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
 He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
 quick 
 at it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Charles Wu wrote:
 Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios
 from
 Dragonwave

 As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in
 beta
 (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before
 InterOp
 in Vegas)

 Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new
 Trango
 =/

 -Charles

 I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

 But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't
operate
 in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

 It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
 environment.

 Any suggestions with pricing?

 It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato

I'm hoping to avoid the 5.4 stuff.
Figure 5.4 will soon be multi point stuff. I hate to shoot myself in the 
foot with that.


George

Gino Villarini wrote:

Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps
Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon)

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

Range is about 2.5 miles
It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We 
also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless 
there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies.


George

Gino Villarini wrote:

Range ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On

Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs.

100

would be good.
It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen
5gig 

and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.

George


Gino Villarini wrote:

George

How much bandwidth needed, range ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles

Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
highest 
Rain/Fog zones (Fade).

Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
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Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn
quick 

at it.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios

from

Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in

beta

(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before

InterOp

in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new

Trango

=/

-Charles


I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't

operate
in 

any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
environment.


Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-06-01 Thread Gino Villarini
There are 225 mhz available there ..., 

Dragonwave Horizon 18 ghz link is a lincensed option. 

Gino A. Villarini
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I'm hoping to avoid the 5.4 stuff.
Figure 5.4 will soon be multi point stuff. I hate to shoot myself in the

foot with that.

George

Gino Villarini wrote:
 Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps
 Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon)
 
 Gino A. Villarini
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
 
 Range is about 2.5 miles
 It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We 
 also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless 
 there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies.
 
 George
 
 Gino Villarini wrote:
 Range ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
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 On
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 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

 I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs.
 100
 would be good.
 It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen
 5gig 
 and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited.

 George


 Gino Villarini wrote:
 George

 How much bandwidth needed, range ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 -Original Message-
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 On
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 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

 E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  2.5 miles
 Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the
 highest 
 Rain/Fog zones (Fade).
 Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend.
 He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K.



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be
damn
 quick 
 at it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


 Charles Wu wrote:
 Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios
 from
 Dragonwave

 As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in
 beta
 (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before
 InterOp
 in Vegas)

 Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new
 Trango
 =/

 -Charles

 I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

 But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't
 operate
 in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

 It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy 
 environment.

 Any suggestions with pricing?

 It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

 George
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga -- Dragonwave Horizon

2007-06-01 Thread Charles Wu
George,

DragonWave 18 Ghz Horizon will most likely do the job for you -- here's
a web link for more info: 
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-horizon.asp

What's nice about it is that you can buy it at 50 Mb, and upgrade it
(via software) up to 400 Mb 

The scary thing is the price of licensed radios have come down so far
that once you get above 50 Mb FD, it's almost cheaper to go licensed

I'll ping you offlist with info

-Charles

CTI
Dragonwave Distributor
PAID WISPA Vendor Member



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

Charles Wu wrote:
 Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from

 Dragonwave
 
 As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta 
 (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp

 in Vegas)
 
 Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango

 =/
 
 -Charles
 

I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in
  any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.

It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy
environment.

Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga -- Dragonwave Horizon

2007-06-01 Thread George Rogato

Thanks Charles



Charles Wu wrote:

George,

DragonWave 18 Ghz Horizon will most likely do the job for you -- here's
a web link for more info: 
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-horizon.asp


What's nice about it is that you can buy it at 50 Mb, and upgrade it
(via software) up to 400 Mb 


The scary thing is the price of licensed radios have come down so far
that once you get above 50 Mb FD, it's almost cheaper to go licensed

I'll ping you offlist with info

-Charles

CTI
Dragonwave Distributor
PAID WISPA Vendor Member


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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Charles Wu
Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles


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Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Gino Villarini
I also saw a new and revamped Atlas PTP replacement

Gino A. Villarini
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles


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Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Travis Johnson
I'd love to... but it seems they aren't real excited about trying a 30 
mile link with 18ghz. ;)


Travis
Microserv

Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles


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Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi

As for Trango Giga...

Looks like a very exciting product, and hopefully they'll have an exciting 
price to go with it.
As for testing, I'm planning on it.  There is no shortage of willing beta 
testers. The hard part is paying for it :-)
I think Trango's product is really going to put the preasure on hard to 
competitors like DragonWave.


I'd like to bring up the point that Dragon Waves' ALL OUTDOOR Horizon 
product gives it a big advantage for WISPs with limited indoor colocation 
options.  Expecially in Urban areas where Management companies try and 
charge for every closet (Rack) Space they can charge for.  With only needing 
indoor POE, it makes it much easier to just replace existing 5.8G gear with 
little effort, and NO renegotiation with Property owners.


Of course there is also benefits of combo indoor/outdoor unit models.

As for Wimax 5.8Ghz Sector models I think that is a thing of the past at 
this stage of the industry, atleast in Urban areas.  Customers are expecting 
higher expectations from their provider, that PtMP may not be able to 
deliver long term.  The future is about PtP last mile, and small channel 
sizes to enable a larger number of links.  What they need to do is get the 
Atlas PtP down under $1000, with small channel size support.  PTP is the 
only way to survive the noise floor, in most of Urban America today. PtMP 
was a transition technology, that WiMax was 5 years to late to the party. 
Due to new PTP trends, Many buildings may be left unserved, but in favor or 
being able to better serve the ones that have committed already to the 
technology first.  I have a lot of respect for the Atlas PTP line, and it 
was well priced for Backhaul purposes, however 5.8Ghz backhaul is also 
starting to become a thing of the past, as new breed Licensed technology 
replaces it.  With Mikrotik/StarOS and Certified varients such as Deliberant 
or Tranzeo, there is no longer the need to pay top dollar for Last Mile PtP 
nor the reason to justify PTP for just Backhaul anymore.  PTP is becomming a 
low cost last mile solution today.  As for WImax/PtP, is there really 
anything someone can offer more than what Alvarion already offers in their 
Commnet program? I'd argue, not much.  Why build a new product to compete 
agaisnt these tried and true technologies?  Again, I'm not saying a new PtMP 
WimAx product won't be embraced, I'm jsut saying the market is changing, and 
what we need today is rock bottom low cost High quality Last Mile PTPs, and 
reasonable cost Solid as a rock super high performance Backhaul.


Trango Gets it, which is why they are jumping right to the future, and 
concentrating on making a best of breed Licensed Backhaul Product.
Now whether the Atlas PtP price drops, that is uncertain.  I'd like to see 
it happen.


Just my 2 cents and predictions.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga


Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles


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anyone seen/used these yet ?

Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff.

http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread George Rogato

Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in 
 any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment.

Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

George
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Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga

2007-05-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Check manufacturers in the E-Band (70 - 80 GHz).  That should do what you 
need, and be damn quick at it.



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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga



Charles Wu wrote:

Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from
Dragonwave

As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta
(they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp
in Vegas)

Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango
=/

-Charles



I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything.

But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in 
any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig.


It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment.

Any suggestions with pricing?

It's something I have to do within the next 3 months.

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