Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Steve Stroh


Jeff:

If a system hasn't been through the interoperability testing, it ISN'T 
WiMAX - at all. Absent the certification of interoperability, at best 
what the vendors will be shipping and selling prior to achieving 
certification is a proprietary product with perhaps some WiMAX 
features.


Vendors have been known to change their mind about guaranteeing 
upgrade to final specifications and likely a number of vendors will 
ship products and completely eschew the formalities of WiMAX 
interoperability certification. Nothing wrong with that unless they try 
to pull a fast one trying to associate such products with WiMAX, 
implying interoperability, where none is actually guaranteed.


There is not, and cannot be, 4.9 GHz WiMAX products because there is 
not, nor is there likely to be, a WiMAX Forum profile for 4.9 GHz given 
that band is US only, and the US is projected to be a minor market for 
WiMAX gear. So those vendors that claim to be, or soon will be, 
shipping 4.9 GHz WiMAX gear are in fact shipping a PROPRIETARY 
system; absent WiMAX certification, there's no guarantee whatsoEVER of 
interoperability.


The entire POINT of WiMAX is interoperability!

The market is going to have to sort out the vendors who falsely claim 
WiMAX for their systems; apparently the WiMAX Forum has no intention 
of doing so.



Thanks,

Steve



On Apr 4, 2006, at 21:37, Jeffrey Thomas wrote:

That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping 
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the 
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their 
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has 
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion, 
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.


-

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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Matt Liotta
The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a fixed 
wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When and if mobile 
WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be important. Until then 
there is no need for it in a fixed wireless network, so the 
certification badge isn't desirable. What is desirable is the 
capabilities of the radios. We certainly want to see 802.16-based radios 
in 5.8Ghz.


-Matt

Steve Stroh wrote:



Jeff:

If a system hasn't been through the interoperability testing, it ISN'T 
WiMAX - at all. Absent the certification of interoperability, at best 
what the vendors will be shipping and selling prior to achieving 
certification is a proprietary product with perhaps some WiMAX 
features.


Vendors have been known to change their mind about guaranteeing 
upgrade to final specifications and likely a number of vendors will 
ship products and completely eschew the formalities of WiMAX 
interoperability certification. Nothing wrong with that unless they 
try to pull a fast one trying to associate such products with WiMAX, 
implying interoperability, where none is actually guaranteed.


There is not, and cannot be, 4.9 GHz WiMAX products because there is 
not, nor is there likely to be, a WiMAX Forum profile for 4.9 GHz 
given that band is US only, and the US is projected to be a minor 
market for WiMAX gear. So those vendors that claim to be, or soon will 
be, shipping 4.9 GHz WiMAX gear are in fact shipping a PROPRIETARY 
system; absent WiMAX certification, there's no guarantee whatsoEVER of 
interoperability.


The entire POINT of WiMAX is interoperability!

The market is going to have to sort out the vendors who falsely claim 
WiMAX for their systems; apparently the WiMAX Forum has no intention 
of doing so.



Thanks,

Steve



On Apr 4, 2006, at 21:37, Jeffrey Thomas wrote:

That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping 
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the 
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their 
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has 
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion, 
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.


-

Jeff



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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
snip
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping  
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the  
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their  
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has  
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion,  
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.
/snip

Basically, a roadmap to WiMAX?

Look at the result of Wi-LAN's Continuty Program  Roadmap to WiMAX?
ducking


Wi-LAN Continuity Program


The Wi-LAN Continuity Program Provides
- Standards Based W-OFDM Performance Today
- Clear Path to the Standards
- Risk Free Migration Strategy
- Investment Protection
- Proven Future Proof Solution

History shows that when new standards are created then there is a lot of
buzz and expection and a lot of marketing noise about standards based
products being available soon.  Again, history has shown that soon is
often delayed until later or much later.  High expectations turn into
dissapointment and frustration.

The Continuity Program shows Wi-LAN's clear path to the standards.
Customers can purchase Libra products today and be confident that their
investment will be protected when WiMAX products become available



Oh Really?

February 2, 2006
Wi-LAN Inc. is transitioning out of its broadband wireless equipment
business to concentrate solely on its intellectual property rights business.

So -- this leads one to ask -- how guaranteed is a roadmap to WiMAX?

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-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Steve Stroh wrote:


 Neat trick... considering...

 There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because 
 there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability
 profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests.
 Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability  
 tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as  
 having completed the tests and declared interoperable.

 And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests
 and declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name.

 Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products.
 PERHAPS by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that  
 the vendors are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz  
 (licensed, non-US markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile  
 WiMAX out will consume the available interoperability testing  
 facilities and the attentions of the Mobile portions of the WiMAX  
 industry.

 5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the
 WiMAX industry.


 Thanks,

 Steve


 On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote:

 George,

 Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking
 orders now.

 -

 Jeff

 On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:16:46 -0700, George [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 said:
 What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
 Is there any products released yet or about to be released?
 Thanks
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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Jeff,

Out of curiosity, since QoS  base WiMAX certification currently are
mutually exclusive, how does having QoS allow one manufacturer to have
product that's more WiMAX than another (not to say that QoS makes a
product better, but that's a whole different argument)

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George,

I am sure there will be others, but likely the first will be Airspan  
( May is Beta ) and Aperto ( shipping
in June ). Redline likely will have product as well, but based on the  
fact that both Aperto and Airspan
have considerable experience with QOS PTMP, I would think they will  
have the only great product
out there. As well, on the CPE front, there are a number of taiwanese  
ODM's expected to announce
sub 300 dollar integrated CPE.

-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:28 PM, George wrote:

 Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will
 be available with Aperto and Airspan.

 What do you know Charles?

 George

 Charles Wu wrote:
 Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock
 Alvarion,
 since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out  
 there is also
 based on a similar chipset)
 Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification)  
 doesn't
 operate in 5 GHz
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
 I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible,  
 or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.
 pd
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 George

 From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into

 its own

 in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units
 comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci  
 WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com 
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 What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
 Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks 
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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
There is no such thing right now as unlicensed WiMAX (e.g., no way today to
officially certify 5.8 Ghz WiMAX)
So you *could* say that Motorola, Alvarion, Trango, Tranzeo, Mikrotik,
StarOS, etc all have roadmaps to WiMAX just like Airspan  Aperto

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?


Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will be 
available with Aperto and Airspan.

What do you know Charles?

George

Charles Wu wrote:
 Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock 
 Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product 
 out there is also based on a similar chipset)
 
 Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) 
 doesn't operate in 5 GHz
 
 -Charles
 
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 On Behalf Of Pete Davis
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
 
 
 I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or
 software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.
 
 pd
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into

its own

in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes
down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios 
(5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com
 
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What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks 
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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Steve Stroh


Matt:

The capabilities of WiMAX ALREADY exist in the proprietary products 
of Alvarion, Redline, Aperto Networks, etc. WiMAX is a standardization 
of the lowest-common-denominator of those capabilities, with certified 
interoperability.


If you've waited this long for WiMAX capabilities, and don't care 
about interoperability... you've waited several years longer than you 
needed to.



Thanks,

Steve


On Apr 5, 2006, at 09:02, Matt Liotta wrote:

The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a fixed 
wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When and if 
mobile WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be important. 
Until then there is no need for it in a fixed wireless network, so the 
certification badge isn't desirable. What is desirable is the 
capabilities of the radios. We certainly want to see 802.16-based 
radios in 5.8Ghz.


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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I didn't mean to imply that I am waiting on the technology. We use 
Orthogon today, which provides us all the capabilities of WiMAX and then 
some. However, the price point simply doesn't compete with Canopy for 
last mile use, which is why we continue to use it. We are waiting on the 
capabilities at a price point similar to Canopy. None of the WiMAX 
vendors offer that today and I don't see how selling millions of 3.5Ghz 
radios is going to help the situation in the US.


-Matt

Steve Stroh wrote:



Matt:

The capabilities of WiMAX ALREADY exist in the proprietary products 
of Alvarion, Redline, Aperto Networks, etc. WiMAX is a standardization 
of the lowest-common-denominator of those capabilities, with certified 
interoperability.


If you've waited this long for WiMAX capabilities, and don't care 
about interoperability... you've waited several years longer than you 
needed to.



Thanks,

Steve


On Apr 5, 2006, at 09:02, Matt Liotta wrote:

The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a fixed 
wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When and if 
mobile WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be important. 
Until then there is no need for it in a fixed wireless network, so 
the certification badge isn't desirable. What is desirable is the 
capabilities of the radios. We certainly want to see 802.16-based 
radios in 5.8Ghz.


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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Agreed- interop is a great thing steve, but the problem is that  
currently no wimax profile requires any level of interop beyond  
simple bridging, which most operators will find that they want to use  
the QOS features so they can sell services such as voip.
are these products i mentioned using the 802.16 intel chips? yes. To  
me thats what determines if something is Wimax grade or not.


-

Jeff

On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:

The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a fixed  
wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When and if  
mobile WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be  
important. Until then there is no need for it in a fixed wireless  
network, so the certification badge isn't desirable. What is  
desirable is the capabilities of the radios. We certainly want to  
see 802.16-based radios in 5.8Ghz.


-Matt

Steve Stroh wrote:



Jeff:

If a system hasn't been through the interoperability testing, it  
ISN'T WiMAX - at all. Absent the certification of  
interoperability, at best what the vendors will be shipping and  
selling prior to achieving certification is a proprietary product  
with perhaps some WiMAX features.


Vendors have been known to change their mind about guaranteeing  
upgrade to final specifications and likely a number of vendors  
will ship products and completely eschew the formalities of WiMAX  
interoperability certification. Nothing wrong with that unless  
they try to pull a fast one trying to associate such products with  
WiMAX, implying interoperability, where none is actually guaranteed.


There is not, and cannot be, 4.9 GHz WiMAX products because  
there is not, nor is there likely to be, a WiMAX Forum profile for  
4.9 GHz given that band is US only, and the US is projected to be  
a minor market for WiMAX gear. So those vendors that claim to be,  
or soon will be, shipping 4.9 GHz WiMAX gear are in fact  
shipping a PROPRIETARY system; absent WiMAX certification, there's  
no guarantee whatsoEVER of interoperability.


The entire POINT of WiMAX is interoperability!

The market is going to have to sort out the vendors who falsely  
claim WiMAX for their systems; apparently the WiMAX Forum has no  
intention of doing so.



Thanks,

Steve



On Apr 4, 2006, at 21:37, Jeffrey Thomas wrote:

That is correct, however those companies are expected to be  
shipping product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply  
with the testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get  
off their collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example,  
already has wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification.  
So in conclusion, yes on product, no on the interop profile or  
tests yet.


-

Jeff



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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas


On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Charles Wu wrote:


snip
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion,
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.
/snip

Basically, a roadmap to WiMAX?



no, product with the 802.16 chipsets and SDR so that they can be easily
changed to fit whatever the wimaxforum decides is the profile.



So -- this leads one to ask -- how guaranteed is a roadmap to WiMAX?


the question should be- are they using 802.16 compliant technology?

not whether or not they got the cutsey wimax sticker. Seriously,  
right now the

wimax forum does not give a rats ass about the US market.



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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas

Okay,

we could both agree that a simple bridge mode system with no level of  
QOS,
no ability to segment traffic flows between CBR/CIR/BE, would be  
pretty pointless
right? then it would be simple best effort only services you could  
sell on a given
link or base station. So while company A may be selling an 802.16  
product without
service flow segmentation its only a dumb bridge network, which you  
might as well

go with a cheaper 802.11 based product then if the QoS is of no concern.

-

Jeff

On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Charles Wu wrote:


Hi Jeff,

Out of curiosity, since QoS  base WiMAX certification currently are
mutually exclusive, how does having QoS allow one manufacturer to have
product that's more WiMAX than another (not to say that QoS makes a
product better, but that's a whole different argument)

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:35 PM
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George,

I am sure there will be others, but likely the first will be Airspan
( May is Beta ) and Aperto ( shipping
in June ). Redline likely will have product as well, but based on the
fact that both Aperto and Airspan
have considerable experience with QOS PTMP, I would think they will
have the only great product
out there. As well, on the CPE front, there are a number of taiwanese
ODM's expected to announce
sub 300 dollar integrated CPE.

-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:28 PM, George wrote:


Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will
be available with Aperto and Airspan.

What do you know Charles?

George

Charles Wu wrote:

Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock
Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out
there is also
based on a similar chipset)
Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification)
doesn't
operate in 5 GHz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible,
or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.
pd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

George


From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into



its own


in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units
comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci
WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas

Actually,

I would argue that the great thing about wimax is not really interop-  
its lower costs on CPE. Until there is an agreed upon profile for  
WImax QOS, then literally everyone who buys wimax base stations will  
use the same manufacturers client devices. The only major difference  
is CPE cost, which will be in the sub 300 range by mid 07. Now all  
the propritary systems on the market currently cant deliver the level  
of service that wimax equipment can, with the same projected CPE cost.


-
Jeff

On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Steve Stroh wrote:



Matt:

The capabilities of WiMAX ALREADY exist in the proprietary  
products of Alvarion, Redline, Aperto Networks, etc. WiMAX is a  
standardization of the lowest-common-denominator of those  
capabilities, with certified interoperability.


If you've waited this long for WiMAX capabilities, and don't care  
about interoperability... you've waited several years longer than  
you needed to.



Thanks,

Steve


On Apr 5, 2006, at 09:02, Matt Liotta wrote:

The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a  
fixed wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When  
and if mobile WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be  
important. Until then there is no need for it in a fixed wireless  
network, so the certification badge isn't desirable. What is  
desirable is the capabilities of the radios. We certainly want to  
see 802.16-based radios in 5.8Ghz.


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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Charles Wu
Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also
based on a similar chipset)

Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't
operate in 5 GHz

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I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or 
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.

pd

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 From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into 
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 in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes 
 down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios 
 (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread George
Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will be 
available with Aperto and Airspan.


What do you know Charles?

George

Charles Wu wrote:

Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also
based on a similar chipset)

Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't
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I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or 
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.


pd

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George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into 



its own


in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes 
down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios 
(5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.


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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Steve Stroh


Neat trick... considering...

There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile.
Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability 
profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests.
Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability 
tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as having 
completed the tests and declared interoperable.


And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests and 
declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name.


Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products. PERHAPS 
by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that the vendors 
are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz (licensed, non-US 
markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile WiMAX out will consume 
the available interoperability testing facilities and the attentions of 
the Mobile portions of the WiMAX industry.


5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the WiMAX 
industry.



Thanks,

Steve


On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote:


George,

Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking
orders now.

-

Jeff

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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas

Indeed.

Alvarion is not expected to request wimax certification until they  
determine
a WIMAX approved QOS mechanism, at least thats what I have heard as  
well.


-

Jeff



On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Charles Wu wrote:

Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock  
Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there  
is also

based on a similar chipset)

Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification)  
doesn't

operate in 5 GHz

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I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.

pd

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

George


From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into
its own

in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes
down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios
(5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas

George,

I am sure there will be others, but likely the first will be Airspan  
( May is Beta ) and Aperto ( shipping
in June ). Redline likely will have product as well, but based on the  
fact that both Aperto and Airspan
have considerable experience with QOS PTMP, I would think they will  
have the only great product
out there. As well, on the CPE front, there are a number of taiwanese  
ODM's expected to announce

sub 300 dollar integrated CPE.

-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:28 PM, George wrote:

Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will  
be available with Aperto and Airspan.


What do you know Charles?

George

Charles Wu wrote:
Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock  
Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out  
there is also

based on a similar chipset)
Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification)  
doesn't

operate in 5 GHz
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I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible,  
or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.

pd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

George


From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into



its own


in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units  
comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci  
WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.


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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping  
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the  
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their  
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has  
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion,  
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.


-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Steve Stroh wrote:



Neat trick... considering...

There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile.
Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability  
profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests.
Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability  
tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as  
having completed the tests and declared interoperable.


And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests  
and declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name.


Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products.  
PERHAPS by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that  
the vendors are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz  
(licensed, non-US markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile  
WiMAX out will consume the available interoperability testing  
facilities and the attentions of the Mobile portions of the WiMAX  
industry.


5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the  
WiMAX industry.



Thanks,

Steve


On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote:


George,

Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking
orders now.

-

Jeff

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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread tonylist
George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own
in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to
the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they
are far from ready for prime time. 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread Pete Davis
I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or 
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.


pd

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George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own
in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to
the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they
are far from ready for prime time. 


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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
No... but it's understandable that you might be confused (heck... I 
might be confused...) but there is so much over-hyped horsesh*t being 
slung around regarding WiMAX-certified equipment (not by any vendor in 
particular) and there is so much ignorance on the part of journalists 
who continue to call pre-WiMAX equipment WiMAX that it's a miracle 
if anybody knows the truth anymore. Anyway, here's a link


http://www.wimaxforum.org/news/press_releases/FDD_Certifications

that (I think) summarizes the products that have received WiMAX 
certification. WiMAX certification is band-specific, by the way. All the 
equipment certified so far is for the 3.5 GHz band which is not legal in 
the U.S. Equipment that will eventually be certified for use in bands 
that are legal in the U.S. will have different performance 
specifications. Anything equipment that is said to be WiMAX-anything 
is NOT WiMAX.

  jack



Pete Davis wrote:

I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or 
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.


pd

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George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into 
its own
in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes 
down to
the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) 
but they

are far from ready for prime time.
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread George
Doesn't Alvarion and moto have some unlicensed WIMAX products about to 
be released?

Wonder if Patrick Leary is still on this list?

George

Jack Unger wrote:
No... but it's understandable that you might be confused (heck... I 
might be confused...) but there is so much over-hyped horsesh*t being 
slung around regarding WiMAX-certified equipment (not by any vendor in 
particular) and there is so much ignorance on the part of journalists 
who continue to call pre-WiMAX equipment WiMAX that it's a miracle 
if anybody knows the truth anymore. Anyway, here's a link


http://www.wimaxforum.org/news/press_releases/FDD_Certifications

that (I think) summarizes the products that have received WiMAX 
certification. WiMAX certification is band-specific, by the way. All the 
equipment certified so far is for the 3.5 GHz band which is not legal in 
the U.S. Equipment that will eventually be certified for use in bands 
that are legal in the U.S. will have different performance 
specifications. Anything equipment that is said to be WiMAX-anything 
is NOT WiMAX.

  jack


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