Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Peter R.
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Lets take a step back... I never wrote anything about offering VOIP or 911 or E911 - I merely mentioned selling an Asterisk based phone system that is capable of redirecting long distance calls over VOIP. The customer that I mentioned is not getting their long

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
One interesting question would be what happens if the POTS line is down, but Matt's wonderful wireless network is up? ;) The customer would have voice service but no 911... Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Lets take a step

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
You may be able to hold them to it later but you are still ultimately responsible. If a CPA screws up your taxes, you are still liable for that filing. You may have a case against them that you may or may not win in court. But you will still have to pay back taxes, and interest at best when

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Blair Davis
Actually, this is a real good question. Who would be liable when the customer picks up the phone and dials 911 and nothing happens? Sam Tetherow wrote: One interesting question would be what happens if the POTS line is down, but Matt's wonderful wireless network is up? ;) The customer

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
My personal opinion is that if the customer signs a waiver that they understand you are not providing 911 support and that if they dial 911 they get a message that says that 911 is not available from this device then you should be covered. I KNOW that this is contrary to the law, I'm just

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-27 Thread Blake Bowers
Remember, you could still have the costs of defending that position in a court. - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-25 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Butch Evans wrote: If you look at what Matt Larsen posted, you will see that (as I have stated twice and he stated originally) that his PBX SUPPORTS E911. You are either forgetting that or ignoring it. Here is his post again:

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS) Tom, I have to go

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, Do you really believe that? I know the comments you made in regard to 911 compliance I countered with facts I can backup. Therefore, your ideas on 911 compliance were either just made up or worse, your lawyer agreed with you on them. You are making a gross misunderstanding. I did

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS) Tom, I have to go with Matt on this. I am on a lot of lists, so they get confused, but I have seen way too many people ask for advice on listservs that should have gone to either a CPA, state revenue

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-24 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 23, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Many on this list like to just make things up as opposed to getting an actual legal opinion from a practicing attorney that specializes in this field. I'm not aware of that going on much at all on this list, its just not true. Do you

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS) Tom, I have to go with Matt

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Matt Liotta wrote: Your agree with Larsen for what reason? Did you know that currently five states require PBXs of all varieties to support E911? In fact, only three states specifically state that PBX vendors If you look at what Matt Larsen posted, you will see that

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-23 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 23, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Butch Evans wrote: The example Matt listed was a business that purchased a phone system. This phone system happens to be an Asterisk system that has a POTS line terminated in it. Some traffic is routed via VoIP offerings available on the net, while other

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:56 AM Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS) On Jun 23, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Butch Evans wrote: The example Matt listed

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-23 Thread Peter R.
Tom, I have to go with Matt on this. I am on a lot of lists, so they get confused, but I have seen way too many people ask for advice on listservs that should have gone to either a CPA, state revenue department, or an attorney. You have no real idea who is replying. He could be giving you

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-22 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Matt Liotta wrote: That is incorrect. A POTS line will only be able to provide ANI/ALI information as configured by the LEC providing the POTS line, which will not match the subscriber's call that you are routing through it. However, according to what Matt Larsen

RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-21 Thread tonylist
Yes they are, you have to ask for them but ATT offers these services to business. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must be 911 compliant as per the order. Any other services you may or others may provide to the

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: I don't believe there is any real money in it either... cell phones will be the choice 5-10 years from now. VoIP is the bridge to get there. Of course, I'm talking residential users... business users are a little different... although we

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
There are major LECs using VoIP internally while providing analog service to their customers. Therefore, it is quite possible you have had conversations over a VoIP network using your POTS lines without even knowing it. Further, the percentage likelihood that you will have such a phone call in

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I will have to find the article I read about a year ago regarding VoIP and POTS and cellular. It shows that even with the number of people that are switching, it is still VERY small when compared with the number that still have POTS and will continue to keep their land lines. In our

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype,Yahoo, MS) Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service for 911 compliance either has read

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch, they intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected to the providers switch, it complies. That is incorrect. What gives you that impression? So if you ahve a local regional switch and

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates are so cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs by moving to voip. They are? Our customers are saving anywhere from $100 to $2,000 per month on long distance with our

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Horsecrap. All I am selling is the phone system. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Liotta wrote: Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP

RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread tonylist
-2181 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS The clear trend where we're at is cell phone and/or voip. Mostly, it's cell phone and no land line. What for? I've got my phone, she has hers, the kids each have

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Peter R.
I would almost buy this statement if it weren't for the fact that cell phone call quality is horrible. Add bluetooth headsets to the equation and windshear and I can't hear a blessed word some people are saying. And this has not stopped people from using cell phones. Consumers switch to VoIP

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS I would almost buy this statement if it weren't for the fact that cell

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS) Tom DeReggi wrote: However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch, they intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected to the providers switch, it complies. That is incorrect. What gives you

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Why can't I write a script in Linux/Asterix that says, if Source phone number equals my client, and destiantion phone number equalls 911, move this call to POTS Line A, a POTS line with an area code/phone xxx-xxx appropriaite for the region where that customer resides.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Rich Comroe
? (and I'd argue typical long distance is within US). Is $60/mo unmetered local long distance not available? Rich - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Peter R.
VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill. My CallVantage line is $41. Rich Comroe wrote: It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local US long distance available for $60 ... something / month. I do. To save $100 to $2000 per month on long distance

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Travis Johnson
Wow... my Qwest bill with Caller-ID, Caller Blocking, etc. is $38 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.). Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill. My CallVantage line is $41. Rich Comroe wrote: It was my impression

Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
(was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS) Tom DeReggi wrote: Why can't I write a script in Linux/Asterix that says, if Source phone number equals my client, and destiantion phone number equalls 911, move this call to POTS Line A, a POTS line with an area code/phone xxx-xxx

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS It was my impression that most of the US

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Peter R.
Pat, VoIP is going to be a steady stream of anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on codec, equipment and handshake. (Think of it like the way modem's work ... you don't get 56k, you get what is negotiated. Hosted PBX or IP Centrex offerings tend to eat up more bandwidth. Can your network

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Larry Yunker
Before you talk about VoIP technology/deployment issues, you might want to address your deployment amechanism. What technology are you planning to use in order to deploy your broadband? Wireless, I would assume? If so, what hardware? Choosing the right type of hardware on the last-mile is

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Matt Liotta
Larry did a good job of laying out some of the considerations, but be aware that none of these choices exist in a vacuum. For example, if you do voice over internet your upstream is going to be a major concern in terms of both capacity and latency. Compare this with running your own voice

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service provider. Not in the long term. The money will be in the ability to offer good voip capacity but not the voip it's self. Yeah, I know, there are people making money with voip. I heard that song and dance about hot spots too.

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread cw
VoIP is going to be a steady stream of anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on codec, equipment and handshake. Lets not forget that 30k packet is a 28k header with a 2k payload. Make sure your infrastructure can handle 20,000 packets per second. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Peter R.
Marlon, He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi. Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about VoIP, especially with the mandatory CALEA

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering

2006-06-19 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
A little more information on my situation: I'm considering VoIP only as a selling point. I don't expect to make much money on the voice service alone. I intend to use it to be able to up-sell the Internet connection, since many small businesses don't place much value on their Internet

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone systems and make sure that they keep at least one POTS line. Then, even with a dead internet connection, they will still have (albeit limited) capabilitity to get out and receive phone calls, and also to handle 911. I recently

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS Marlon, He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi. Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try that, but there are security concerns (growing

Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Travis Johnson
] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS Marlon, He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi. Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about

RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-19 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service provider