Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Sam Tetherow
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Responses inline... - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread George Rogato
Good points Larry. I agree with your defining backbone and last mile rules and how there should be 2 different sets of standards. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
No such thing as middle ground in regulation. I actually think No Regulation at this point would be better than any of the plans proposed so far. And after compromises, it will just be a litigation fest like the TA96. - Peter Larry Yunker wrote: Dave, I can see your points and I agree

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
George, Regulation could not be put into effect that would define last-mile, middle mile and backbone. When I called by Congress Critter's office to ask about his position on NN, the bonehead staffer that answered the phone did not even know what that was! Most of the 500+ elected Congress

my take (was Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality)

2006-06-21 Thread Matt Liotta
I personally think this whole net neutrality is a combination of much ado about nothing and the little guys not learning how to work together. Will the RBOCs be able to wield any real power against the major content companies of the world? No, they won't. But, what about the small operations?

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Larry Yunker
ATT and VZ can't de-peer for another 17 months, so we have that long before it becomes imminent. Where did the 17 month timeframe come from? AFAIK, without Net Neutrality legislation, there is nothing stopping the big guys from pulling the rug out from under the rest of us TODAY. If you are

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Because you're not involved and you, as a content provider, have NO interest in my network. My customer, however, DOES want his VOIP phone to work, as well as your pages to load. Both can happen with QOS employed, no? Your web page loads no matter what. His VOIP phone

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Rich Comroe To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality why do you do it? I'm a top poster. I hate having to essentially re-read the previous email to find

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Larry Yunker
Turn off the option to compose E-mail in HTML. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Actually, My Outlook Express does the same

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Turn off the option to compose E-mail in HTML. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Nash
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality you could put a hot tub in there, too... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread David Sovereen
] ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality The WCA is showing its true colors.. the WCA stands for the interests of Verizon, ATT Wireless, Sprint, and the other big Cell Carriers (many of which incidentally

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Sam Tetherow
- *From:* Larry Yunker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality The WCA is showing its true colors

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd say we need to support WCA's post. In politics it possible to get a double standard to pass. ILECS / Cable companies need Net Neutrality, wireless providers do not. Do you know what it would do to our cell phone bills, if Internet enabled Cell phones were required to allow users to use

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality The WCA is showing its true colors.. the WCA stands for the interests of Verizon, ATT Wireless, Sprint, and the other big Cell Carriers (many

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:37 PM, David Sovereen wrote: How many WISPs on this list are limiting P2P traffic separate from other traffic? I'll bite... I am. We don't How many WISPs on this list are prioritizing VoIP traffic separate from other traffic? I'll bite. I am. And I only

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality The WCA is showing its true colors.. the WCA stands for the interests of Verizon, ATT Wireless, Sprint

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality The WCA is showing its true colors.. the WCA stands for the interests of Verizon, ATT Wireless, Sprint, and the other big Cell Carriers (many of which incidentally are owned by ATT, Bell South, and Verizon RBOCs

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Rich Comroe
nt: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality You guys that post using this incredibly annoying bar at the left... why do you do it? It makes c onversational email impossible... Read on below. comments are prefaced with

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Peter R.
I'd like to point out that the RBOCs own the backbone, the last mile, and the cellular companies, so if they filter or prioritize it should be interesting. Word is L3 is buying all fiber so that they can be equals with VZ att. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Sam Tetherow
mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality I respectfully disagree and think that WCA's position of less regulation and allowing network operators operate their networks how they want is the right

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Larry Yunker
bone of the internet! The real question is whether we can get legislators to understand this CRUCIAL difference. - Larry - Original Message - From: David Sovereen To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Responses inline... - Original Message - *From:* David Sovereen