RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-19 Thread Scott Reed




The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take you up on the offer.  I will hit you offline about that.

The question is, what would you charge this person.  $x/connection,  $y/year, $z/hour, some other way.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




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From: David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



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our
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8
hours, 1 day, 1 week……whatever time period you want to use. We 
do
this on our network today. I will get with you offline to discuss details, 
but
we are doing this today on our network. It allows truckers to get online 
while
they are in town waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless 
customers
to travel around on our network in any town that we 
service.

  


 
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 From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Scott Reed
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 
2006
6:34 AM
 

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 General List
 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] 
Weather
Watcher 
Request

  


 All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to 
the
original question.  The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, 
not
mobile application.  So, let's assume my network will support 
him
connecting to any POP.  Any suggestions how to bill a customer that 
is
only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year? 
 

 

Scott Reed 
 

Owner 
 

NewWays 
 

Wireless Networking 
 

Network Design, Installation and Administration 
 

www.nwwnet.net 
 

 

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From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

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List
wireless@wispa.org 
 

Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 
 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
 
 

 That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive 
and
connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out. 
 

 
 

 I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile
 Command Center.
They take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that 
one,
but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free. 

 

 
 

 Scott Reed 
 

 Owner 
 

 NewWays 
 

 Wireless Networking 
 

 Network Design, Installation and Administration 
 

 www.nwwnet.net 

 

 
 

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 From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

 To: WISPA General 
List
wireless@wispa.org 
 

 Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 
 

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 
 

 
 

  Scott Reed wrote: 
 

   I have had a request for service from our local 
SkyWarn
volunteer watcher. He 
 

   needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he 
can
see the radar 
 

   while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? 
If
so, how do you 
 

   charge for installation, service, etc.? 
 

  
 

  Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend 
a
cell 
 

  phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems 
I

 

  can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 

 

  roaming is firmly in the cannot category. 
 

  
 

  Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about 
it
a 
 

  couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with 
Mikrotik.
But 
 

  unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 

 

  customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is 
probably

 

  gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 

 

  looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your 
network
:) 
 

  
 

  David Smith 
 

  MVN.net 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
 He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how do 
 you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread chipps
Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?
Ken Chipps-Original Message-From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestAgreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today andprobably always will be for the mobile user.I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data cardright now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven'tmissed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, onrooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and itis only getting better.Best,Brad-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of David E. SmithSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestScott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.He  needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see theradar  while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, howdo you  charge for installation, service, etc.?Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cellphone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems Ican (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort ofroaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it acouple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. Butunless your whole network already happens to support that, or thecustomer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probablygonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they'relooking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)David SmithMVN.net-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Mark McElvy








Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect





Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data
Systems, Inc.
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573.729.9203 - Fax
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two
questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to
download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken
Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher.
He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar 
 while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how
do you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Brad Belton








Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book
anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion).
grin



Pulling current, animated radar images over
my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like
this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171 ms 157 ms
162 ms 68.28.177.69

 2
*
* * Request
timed out.

 3 191 ms 183 ms
190 ms 68.28.187.54

 4 326 ms 162 ms
156 ms 68.28.187.6

 5
*
* * Request
timed out.

 6
*
* * Request
timed out.

 7 162 ms 158 ms
164 ms 68.28.187.97

 8 168 ms 153 ms
160 ms 68.28.187.18

 9 194 ms 162 ms
157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

10 171 ms 161 ms
157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

11 161 ms 159 ms
188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

12 173 ms 193 ms 189
ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

13 186 ms 186 ms
184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

14 180 ms 183 ms
187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

15 384 ms 173 ms
167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

16 166 ms 193 ms
206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

17 180 ms 183 ms
192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

18 423 ms 224 ms
199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]



Trace complete.





As with most things YMMV. (Your
Mileage May Vary) grin



Best,





Brad









-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect





Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data
Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide
Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA
General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the
Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just

Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Scott Reed




That's one thing I need to ask him.  I am not sure he needs to drive and connect.  It may be park and connect.  I will find out.

I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center.  They take it to a disaster, park and connect.  I am still working on that one, but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




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From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 


Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request 



 Scott Reed wrote: 
 

 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.  
He  
 

 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar 
 
 

 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If 
so, how do you  
 

 charge for installation, service, etc.? 
 
 

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell 
 

phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I 
 

can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of 
 

roaming is firmly in the cannot category. 
 
 

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a 
 

couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But 
 

unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the 
 

customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably 
 

gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're 
 

looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) 
 

 

David Smith 
 

MVN.net 
 

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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Ken Chipps








Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one
of these days since we are in the same city.



Interesting. I may have to look into this
further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is
the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint
website the only source?



Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why
not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?



Ken Chipps











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short
(in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix
etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion). grin



Pulling current, animated radar images
over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation
from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested
with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your
hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over 1Mbps before,
but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like
this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost =
0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average
= 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171 ms 157 ms
162 ms 68.28.177.69

 2
*
* * Request
timed out.

 3 191 ms 183 ms
190 ms 68.28.187.54

 4 326 ms 162 ms 156
ms 68.28.187.6

 5
*
* * Request
timed out.

 6
*
* * Request
timed out.

 7 162 ms 158 ms
164 ms 68.28.187.97

 8 168 ms 153 ms
160 ms 68.28.187.18

 9 194 ms 162 ms
157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69]

10 171 ms 161 ms
157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85]

11 161 ms 159 ms
188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38]

12 173 ms 193 ms
189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21]

13 186 ms 186 ms
184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33]

14 180 ms 183 ms
187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83]

15 384 ms 173 ms
167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73]

16 166 ms 193 ms
206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16]

17 180 ms 183 ms
192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40]

18 423 ms 224 ms
199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]



Trace complete.





As with most things YMMV. (Your
Mileage May Vary) grin



Best,





Brad









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Watcher Request



Remote Desktop Connection
I would suspect





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From:
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
5:28 PM
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Watcher Request





Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the
Sprint

RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Also, agreed,
the Sprint card is used by our field engineering and at two of the
past dozen conferences where we had a booth, that card was better
than the congested Internet connection that they provided to the
exhibitors.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request


Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now.  Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours.  I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle.  Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.
He
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar
 while watching the sky.  Does anyone provide similar service?  If so, how
do you
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, September 18, 2006 5:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high
 enough to download color weather radar images quickly?

I'd assume RDC is Remote Desktop, Windows' answer to PC Anywhere and VNC.

And the Sprint cards are, I'm told, surprisingly good. Some folks have
reported getting data rates in excess of 1Mbps - not blazing fast, but
beats the pants off dialup, and pretty good if you're speeding down the
highway. The average speeds seem to be 512k or thereabouts, unless you're
in a major metropolitan area (which will have newer better tower gear,
thus better speeds), which still ain't nothing to sneeze at.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Butch Evans

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, David E. Smith wrote:

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about 
it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with 
Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support


Voodoo?  LOL.  What we did was not magic, but was certainly not an 
off the shelf solution.  ;-)


that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell 
card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets 
the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours 
rebuilding your network :)


While I must say that it would not require rebuilding the network 
(a Mikrotik client is all that is required for the solution I 
built), it is pretty likely that the coverage area would be much 
better with the cell card.


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RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Brad Belton








Hello Ken,



Yes, it has been some time since we last
met. I believe it was with my brother Jack more than a couple years ago
at your place near Alvarado. I believe it may have even been before you
had a tower up! Time flies!



My first mobile data card (still have it
in a drawer) was from Air America reselling the Ricochet service. The
service was tolerable (200Kbps-300Kbps) if you were stationary, but pretty much
unusable while driving. I think I paid $129.00 a month or more for the
service! Crazy, but I had to have it!



My second data card was Sprints
first generation card. This service was far superior to Ricochet in
coverage and service while driving was terrific. This is the card I used
while driving across country during a couple vacations. Service started
out at about 120Kbps-200Kbps and 350-450ms latency which was a bit worse than
Ricochet. The service did begin to slow and Sprint moved the couple cards
we had to their new service that we have now. 



I figure $5 a year for a weather service I
enjoy is a bargain. I think that works out to just over a penny a day.
The site www.wunderground.com really
is a great source of information and the five bucks eliminates the
advertisements and enables a few additional features. You should check it
out during the next stormIm fairly sure the experimental Lightning
data is pulled from a client of ours that operates a number of remote sensors
our network provides service to. Pretty amazing technology as they can
actually predict a lightning strike (cloud to cloud, cloud to ground or ground
to cloud) before it happens.



Best,





Brad











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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ken Chipps
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
8:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request



Hi Brad, we do need to
meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city.



Interesting. I may have
to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from
other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for
this? Is the Sprint website the only source?



Why do you pay for this
weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug?



Ken Chipps











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Hello Ken,



Yes, Mark is
correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka
Terminal Services or Citrix etc



Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather
information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my
opinion). grin



Pulling current, animated
radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed
test confirmation from www.testmy.net : 



:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps
about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB)

Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s

Tested From:: http://testmy.net/
(Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm 

Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K
1MB Download in 12.8 sec 

Tested from a 579 kB file and took
7.25 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay :
running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) 

D-Validation Link::
http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW





Ive seen well over
1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency
typically looks like this:



Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of
data:



Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=163ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=173ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=188ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=172ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=239ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=170ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=167ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=155ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=368ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=151ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=165ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=179ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms
TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=162ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=180ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=181ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=160ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=175ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=159ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=146ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=185ms TTL=237

Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32
time=143ms TTL=237



Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2:

 Packets: Sent =
23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in
milli-seconds:

 Minimum = 143ms,
Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms



Tracert looks like this:



Tracing route to
vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



 1 171
ms 157 ms 162 ms

RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

2006-09-18 Thread Rick Harnish








Remote Desktop







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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006
6:28 PM
To: WISPA
 General List; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather
Watcher Request





Two
questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to
download color weather radar images quickly?

Ken
Chipps

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and
probably always will be for the mobile user.

I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card
right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't
missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on
rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it
is only getting better.

Best,

Brad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request

Scott Reed wrote:
 I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer
watcher.
He 
 needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the
radar 
 while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so,
how
do you 
 charge for installation, service, etc.?

Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell
phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I
can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of
roaming is firmly in the cannot category.

Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a
couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But
unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the
customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably
gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're
looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)

David Smith
MVN.net
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