Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-29 Thread Bret Clark




If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why
the FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use

Scottie Arnett wrote:

  I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider beforehand. It seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you and I have) repeater in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be talking to the FCC.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:39:39 -0400

  
  
I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring 
cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our 
customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf 
unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). 
It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the 
indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, 
and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between 
systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor 
antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to 
provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of 
construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
-- Original Message --
From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:43:25 -0400

I understand. Just repeating what was told to me. I was working with a Wilson 
sales person to repeat cell service to a boat dock, and this was what I heard 
from the list. Something about spurious emissions on the cell bands from these 
amps and men in black helicopters.

I use a Wilson 3 watt amp on my cell and the only helicopter I see are the ones 
looking for mary jane grower's in my area.

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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-29 Thread Blake Bowers
It is FCC approved insofar as the technical standards.

Legality of use belongs with the end user - and the FCC has
clearly stated that the cell phone repeaters must be coordinated
with the carriers whose signals are being repeated, otherwise their
use is illegal.

An example of the FCC approval, I believe it was midland that was
recently taken to fine because of scrambling on some GMRS/FRS
radios.   Illegal, and midland never argued that point.

Those radios met the fcc approval for two way radios.

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From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
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Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps


 If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why the 
 FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use

 Scottie Arnett wrote:
 I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I 
 heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider 
 beforehand. It seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you 
 and I have) repeater in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be 
 talking to the FCC.

 Scottie





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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-28 Thread Scottie Arnett
I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a 
resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider beforehand. It 
seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you and I have) repeater 
in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be talking to the FCC.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:39:39 -0400

I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring 
cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our 
customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf 
unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). 
It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the 
indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, 
and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between 
systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor 
antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to 
provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of 
construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-27 Thread John Thomas
Sometimes, you can contact the carriers and they will install repeaters 
for their clients.

John


jp wrote:
 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring 
 cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

 Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our 
 customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf 
 unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions). 
 It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the 
 indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco, 
 and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

 Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between 
 systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor 
 antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to 
 provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of 
 construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


   




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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-26 Thread Jeremy Parr
Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.

On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
 cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

 Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
 customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
 unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions).
 It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the
 indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco,
 and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

 Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between
 systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor
 antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to
 provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of
 construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I agree.  Call the main number and tell sales you need a cell phone
repeater.  The next guy you talk to should know exactly what you need after
he understands what you have.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.

 On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
  I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
  cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.
 
  Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
  customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
  unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions).
  It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the
  indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco,
  and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.
 
  Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between
  systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor
  antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to
  provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of
  construction. Has anyone does a project like this?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-26 Thread Matt Musial
Jason,
BDA (Bi-Directional Amplifier) and DAS (Distributed Antenna System) systems
for In Building applications- are more reliable and carrier class than
Wilson, etc... Expensive though.

What range does your Femtocell give you?]
 
One thing they all have in common is they require a good clean originating
signal from a near-by cell site. Otherwise, they amplify the noise as well.

Two questions: What is the maximum range of your Femtocell? Do they need a
boost for one carrier or multiple?

Matt
Radwin USA

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

I agree.  Call the main number and tell sales you need a cell phone
repeater.  The next guy you talk to should know exactly what you need after
he understands what you have.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.

 On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
  I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
  cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.
 
  Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
  customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
  unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions).
  It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the
  indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco,
  and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.
 
  Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between
  systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor
  antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to
  provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of
  construction. Has anyone does a project like this?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

2009-10-26 Thread jp
My little home one gives me about a 30' range of boosted signal, but I'm 
in a spot with a very weak cell signal even on the roof, and mine is 
hooked up with 50' of 50ohm lmr400 instead of 75 ohm cable like 
specified, as I already had it running between my roof and basement and 
it took 2 minutes to reuse it.

The proposed system would be for multiple carriers. The roof has clear 
LOS to the cell tower about 2 miles away. The building has two levels 
with an RF-proof floor. The inside range would be ideally 100+' radius.

I will give tessco a call sometime. It looks like a very important 
business line to them.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 03:05:20PM -0500, Matt Musial wrote:
 Jason,
 BDA (Bi-Directional Amplifier) and DAS (Distributed Antenna System) systems
 for In Building applications- are more reliable and carrier class than
 Wilson, etc... Expensive though.
 
 What range does your Femtocell give you?]
  
 One thing they all have in common is they require a good clean originating
 signal from a near-by cell site. Otherwise, they amplify the noise as well.
 
 Two questions: What is the maximum range of your Femtocell? Do they need a
 boost for one carrier or multiple?
 
 Matt
 Radwin USA
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps
 
 I agree.  Call the main number and tell sales you need a cell phone
 repeater.  The next guy you talk to should know exactly what you need after
 he understands what you have.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.
 
  On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
   I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
   cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.
  
   Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
   customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
   unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions).
   It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the
   indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco,
   and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.
  
   Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between
   systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor
   antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to
   provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of
   construction. Has anyone does a project like this?
  
  
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