Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Isn't XO a Level3 reseller? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams As we can all see, This is very dependent on market. Bret here has had a great time

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Brad, Once again I disagree. Cogent represents themselves as low cost, but they have never represented themselves as low quality. Second

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
elsewhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Not to you, but to the thread: Cogent isn't even the low cost leader anymore. PCCW is often cheaper

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Many carriers swap routes around. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm http://www.fixedorbit.com

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Marco Coelho
Our situation is thus: We are leasing a 45 Mile1 Gig fiber link from Greenville TX to 2323 Bryan ST. in Dallas (carrier hotel). My primary need is quality bandwidth. This will become my preferred route to the world. Secondary requirement is a company I won't have to spend 1 year working to get

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Brad Belton
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Our situation is thus: We are leasing a 45 Mile1 Gig fiber link from Greenville TX to 2323 Bryan ST. in Dallas

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Marco Coelho
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Our situation is thus:  We are leasing a 45 Mile1 Gig fiber link from Greenville TX to 2323 Bryan ST. in Dallas (carrier hotel). My primary need is quality bandwidth.  This will become my preferred route to the world. Secondary

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams HE even has $1250 GEs Wow, is that transport or transit? Yeah, 2 months ago, we were going to get an Abovenet transport to Hurricain transit because Hurricane's market low pricing, but then Equinix started giving us a hard time on colo, trying

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Many carriers swap routes around. http

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread can...@believewireless.net
allowed for any chance of discrepancies.  As they say...YMMV! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Marco Coelho
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Our situation is thus:  We are leasing a 45 Mile1 Gig fiber link from Greenville TX to 2323 Bryan ST. in Dallas (carrier hotel

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Bret Clark
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 12:14 -0400, can...@believewireless.net wrote: The circuit was originally purchased from UUNET and there were great. MCI acquired them and support went downhill fast. Like Cogent, you could have someone at UUNET look at BGP problems 24/7. Once MCI took over, they only

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams AboveNET will layout the exact path your fiber feed will be for you

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread chris cooper
Right. MCI billing was a nightmare. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Hold that... UUNET, not MCI

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams I'm not sure how Equinix is in other cities

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-22 Thread John Thomas
wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Not to you, but to the thread: Cogent isn't even the low cost leader anymore. PCCW is often cheaper as is HE. HE even has $1250 GEs

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Level 3 has been solid for us. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of: Abovenet Cogent Global Crossing Level3 Savvis I'm looking for recommendations of who the better upstream is. Marco --

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Josh Luthman
I've been a big fan of Level3 but yesterday they had the same issue twice in Atlanta. Massive outage. Can't really say much more then I am disappointed to hear why it happened. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Jason Hensley
Stay far far away from Savvis. They did me VERY dirty on a circuit I needed to move. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Jon Auer
Cogent has a bad rap but they have been solid for us for the past year. Prior to that they had a few hickups. Their peering is pretty good. Low latency to all major content sites. Level3 seems to have more outages than a provider of their reputation should. Savvis is has poor peering from what I

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Nick Olsen
of peering. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent has a bad rap but they have been

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Kevin Neal
Choices choices choices.Qwest out here, everything else, you pay Qwest 2x to get to them. 360 Networks is breaking out some fiber here soon though. -Kevin On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of:

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Dennis Burgess
-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Neal Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Bret Clark
I always hear about Cogent having a bad rap, but where does that come from? I can't say that one bit! They've worked great for us and during the initial install clearly went above and beyond the call of duty when we encountered a problem even waking a VP up at 1AM on a Sunday morning because we

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Jon Auer
They had congestion problems back prior to 2005 from what I hear due to crazy overselling. Three years ago we had a horrid time with their local POP dropping off the net every other week. I would have to call them and tell them their POP was paritioned because I only saw routes from their other

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Brad Belton
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams I always hear about Cogent having a bad rap, but where does that come from? I can't say that one bit

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent can be ok, but they are not equal to AboveNET, XO, ATT, Level3 etc... We have multiple upstream GigE feeds and Cogent is one of them

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Josh Luthman
- Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent can be ok, but they are not equal to AboveNET, XO, ATT, Level3 etc

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Brad Belton
for relatively little cost. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams It should be noted

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Bret Clark
Brad Belton wrote: While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location, there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over another. Such as? This is exactly my point (being made by Tom, a Cogent customer!) why Cogent should not be depended on as a

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Nick Olsen
someone cool who is willing to talk. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Brad

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Brad Belton
as a complement to your network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Brad Belton wrote

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams I always hear about Cogent having a bad rap, but where does that come from? I can't say that one bit! They've worked great

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Travis Johnson
rom: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent can be ok, but they are not equal to AboveNET, XO, ATT, Level3 etc... We have

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Bret Clark
Brad Belton wrote: Hello Bret, You missed the point about the biggest proponents of Cogent are those that only have Cogentsilence... We prepend our other peers, because Cogent has been the most stable and latency/jitter the lowest. So I don't get you point... I'm not a Cogent basher

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
21, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location, there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over another. This is the reality that typically puts Cogent towards the back of the bus

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Hello, I know when we where shopping

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams

2009-10-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
it mastered well beyond others would be rediculous. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams