Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Matt Liotta
I spent an hour or so yesterday on the phone with the Director of Sales for Exalt. We are working on getting one of their backhauls in for testing now. From the specs... I like that I can deploy it similar to Canopy backhauls because of the sync. I like that it is a tri-band radio like the

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Travis Johnson
And, how much do you like the price? Travis Matt Liotta wrote: I spent an hour or so yesterday on the phone with the Director of Sales for Exalt. We are working on getting one of their backhauls in for testing now. From the specs... I like that I can deploy it similar to Canopy backhauls

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread michaeldavidlake
Not sure which radios your reffering to as not being FCC certified but you should dig deeper than the surface. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, If you live in a remote area, with no potential interferers, then my comment does not apply. But last I heard you were deploying

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: If our link is up, and we see new interference on it, we go after the interferer until they move. I can tell you, if someone puts up a radio using all 100mhz of spectrum, and it happens to cross one of our cellsite or subscribers taking them down, the offendor's link will be

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Matt Liotta
Travis Johnson wrote: And, how much do you like the price? I haven't gotten final pricing yet, but I was led to believe it was comparable to Orthogon. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Brian Webster
Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options I spent an hour or so yesterday on the phone with the Director of Sales for Exalt. We are working on getting one

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Bob Moldashel
- Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Brad Belton
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Tom DeReggi wrote: If our link is up, and we see new interference on it, we go after the interferer until they move. I can tell you, if someone puts up

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
direction, as responsible choices. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
, December 12, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. Whoops... meant inefficient. -Matt 100 Mb FD on a 32 Mhz. channel.That's not bad. Besides...get the GPS syc option

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Wow Tom. That comment is really out of character and your emotions must have gotten the best

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Bob Moldashel
OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry 100 Mb full duplex between 2 locations. You happen top have a $15K link sitting on the shelf that you could deploy. In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread michaeldavidlake
in our industry its for amatures. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Considering my name comes up here several times I guess I should reply Tom DeReggi wrote

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry 100 Mb full duplex between 2 locations. You happen top have a $15K link sitting on the shelf that you could deploy. In doing so you may wipe out or interfere

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
with this one. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Bob Moldashel
! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Bob Moldashel
- Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say you need a large pipe to carry

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread michaeldavidlake
] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options You are still totally missing the point... In doing so you may wipe out or interfere with the poor little WISP 2 miles away. What do you do??? Thats not generally the outcome. If the little

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options OK...Lets look at this whole issue with one other twist. Let's say

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread John Scrivner
Replies below: Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. Wow! Business must be good! We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Andrea Coppini (AIR Networks)
Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput, long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just keep adding links as your need grows. See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Super_wireless_test

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Brad Belton
General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput, long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just keep adding links as your need grows. See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
170 Mb FD Dragonwave... About $20K Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the distance is a

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Brad Belton
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Replies below: Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Tim Kerns
@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options While I'm a fan of MikroTik, the test setup you show is not a viable solution in a real world deployment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
What distances do you need? 5 to 10 miles is a big swing for some gear What's your budget? A series of 60 gig radios might work well for ya. Certainly the Dragonwave 24 gig gear should do. You might also look at Harris or Microwave networks licensed gear. Marlon (509) 982-2181

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Andrea Coppini (AIR Networks) wrote: Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput, long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just keep adding links as your need grows. See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
I have a handful of these in NYC and Wash DC. They kick ass and the company backs them 150%. They are my first licensed choice. Ceragon is my second. -B- Bob Moldashel wrote: 170 Mb FD Dragonwave... About $20K Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Replies below: Matt Liotta wrote: Guys, We are now

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread W.D.McKinney
- Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:49:39 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options 170 Mb FD Dragonwave... About $20K Hi Matt, I agree with Bob here

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Tim Kerns wrote: The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel. I believe they do this using both vert and hor polarity. Is this the system you are out growing? First of all, 300Mbps is an aggregate figure. Second, in a low latency deployment at 5-10 miles it is not

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades we have to do meaning even more installs. This kind of growth is extremely challenging because if it

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles. The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas -B- Matt Liotta wrote: John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Rick Harnish
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Tim Kerns wrote: The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel. I believe they do

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
, December 12, 2006 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Travis Johnson
How about Dragonwave 18ghz or 11ghz? I think they make a 200mbps product in both of those bands. Travis Microserv Bob Moldashel wrote: 24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles. The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options 24 Ghz. won't do 5-10 miles. The other option is an Exalt 2.4 Ghz. or 5 Ghz radio. 100 Mb Full Duplex (Yes 2.4 Ghz.) for around $15-16K plus antennas -B- Matt Liotta wrote: John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always on. No more WMux fiascos needed. Why not? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Erik Jansson
We have done Dragon Wave with links over 20 miles at 18ghz. with 4 ft dishes.(23ghz is very low powered and would get you more then a few miles) We have seen a few minutes a year in rain fade as it is pushing the limits. There is now an high power unit that has about 10db more tx power then

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread michaeldavidlake
applications at speeds of up to a Gig. One of if not the best Gig. radio on the mrkt. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Gigacom product is the only one that you can get any real long distance out of depending on the freq. They have licensed radios that perform very well in the rainforest of South America at very long distance. 60k or 40 miles for some applications at speeds of up

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Brad Belton
Not only that, but is the GigE radio even available yet? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Because its greedy. Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. And when your competitors is unsensitive to the fact that you are greedy, he combats your spectrum/radio, and you or he has no where to go (spectrum wise) for a resolution, he will win because he doesn;t

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. Whoops... meant inefficient. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Tom DeReggi wrote: Because its greedy. Its not greedy; efficient

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, If you live in a remote area, with no potential interferers, then my comment does not apply. But last I heard you were deploying in the middle of Urban Atlanta and possibly Urban DC, with the potential for many interferers eventually. We mostly deploy in urban

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
The above confuses me. In the situation where I have a PtP radio using the full band there is no colocation opportunity for a competitor on either side. That means the competitor would have be on a site near by to be affected by me and/or to affect me. If this hypothetical competitor doesn't

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Several of us on this list know how to shut down these large channel backhauls, and have done so when they have intentionally interfered with our operations. Be ready for someone to do the same to you if you try using a full-band backhaul. More than one operator

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
It doesn't use the entire band... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always on. No more WMux fiascos needed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408)

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
that, but is the GigE radio even available yet? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Bob Moldashel wrote: You can do that now with 3 Ceragon or Dragonwave radios phased into 1 antenna with much better redundancy. If one link dies you still have the other two. How are you phasing the radios together without significant loss? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
Matt Liotta wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: Its not greedy; efficient maybe, but not greedy. Whoops... meant inefficient. -Matt 100 Mb FD on a 32 Mhz. channel.That's not bad. Besides...get the GPS syc option and you can tie in a handful of links on the same channel. That makes them

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
There is a matching network that goes on the rear of the antenna. At higher freqs the loss is much lower than on lower freqs. -B- Matt Liotta wrote: Bob Moldashel wrote: You can do that now with 3 Ceragon or Dragonwave radios phased into 1 antenna with much better redundancy. If one

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
OK...Lets have a review.. It does not use the whole band. It has GPS sync so you can use multiple links on the same channel. That makes it efficient... It works for the application.. There is a big difference of opinion here regarding spectrum usage. My way of seeing it is as

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
BTW:: While we are talking responsibility and efficiency how many of you guys and gals drive SUV's, Pick-Up trucks, Vans and other 8 cylinder vehicles Put your hands up. You know who you are.. :-) -B- Bob Moldashel wrote: OK...Lets have a review.. It does not use the

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I thought that they did. How much do they use? - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options It doesn't use the entire band

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Bob Moldashel
6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options It doesn't use the entire band... Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: NOo NO one should buy ANY radio anymore that uses the entire band and is always on. No more WMux fiascos needed. Marlon (509) 982

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fit (if I work at it :-) in a standard parking place! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options http

Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Bob, I tried to downsize last year, but the Toyota Prius I bought just couldn't pull the 27ft enclosed snowmobile trailer with snowmobiles inside... so I went back to a Chevy with a 6.0L and 4x4. It gets 8mpg while towing... but the batteries don't overheat. :) Travis Microserv Bob

RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

2006-12-12 Thread Brad Belton
Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Oh, you are gonna love this! My truck is a '96 green