Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-27 Thread Robert West
] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I was expecting you to chime in Tom :) Thats exactly what I'm talking about and agree 100%. I cant figure out how $24.95 or even $29.95 works. But then, what number does

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-26 Thread MDK
Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets a piece)? Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeremie Chism
: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point.   You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap.  You can

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Robert West
25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Steve Barnes
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
there. -Jeff There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Thats right and my point. I dont see $15

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread MDK
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those two couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, however). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread MDK
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Scott Reed
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those two couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, however). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those two couldn't maintain 30 customers

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Jeff Ehman
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of cash... If you run out before

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine installation

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI (return

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread RickG
- Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Your question has some of the answer in it.  What do you want for ROI (return on investment

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Mike Hammett
List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is on their own. I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread RickG
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Scott Reed
-- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Robert West
. Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Robert West
marketing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread MDK
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread RickG
-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread RickG
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point.   You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap.  You can if only 2-4 clients

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Glenn Kelley
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Josh Luthman
419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Mike Hammett
: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Yes, they can

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Glenn Kelley
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Glenn Kelley
419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-24 Thread Glenn Kelley
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-22 Thread Marco Coelho
Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did.  $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps.  $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed.  A lot of people really like that too. Our

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Peak Internet - Wireless Internet Service Provider; WiMAX Internet Services For Your Home Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-22 Thread RickG
If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did.  $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps.  $49.95/mo gets you

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities helps subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas. Josh Luthman wrote: Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Chuck Bartosch
wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is really too far but is the next closest meet point). Chuck On Mar 16, 2010

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. Chuck On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
-386-4589 ++ -- From: Charles N Wyble char...@www.knownelement.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Bret Clark wrote: Bingo

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at least *some* fiber. The cost

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:41, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: 6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month At home, I have 6Mbps DSL for $35/month. (Yes, I work for a WISP, but still have DSL, because my last three apartments were out of my employer's coverage area due to terrain and trees.)

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Richey
] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:41, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: 6 Meg DSL here is around $50/month At home, I have 6Mbps DSL for $35/month. (Yes, I

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you trying to increase speeds or bring pricing down? Richey -Original Message- From: wireless

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you trying to increase speeds or bring pricing down

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson
List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:52:59 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL For the WISP that is still charging $30+ for 384k service, what are you doing to bring those customers more bang for their buck? Are you trying

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. Justin Wilson wrote: I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Scott Reed
Exactly. That is what NewWays did. Our old plans on T1 or other smaller pipe were: 384K $33.00 512K $45.00 Now that we have a 50M fiber to a tower our plans are: 1M $35.00 2M $48.00 Justin Wilson wrote: I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs have T1s and T3s

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher (more trucker miles, less productivity) but I wonder if milk isn't another $1 or something. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Bret Clark
Sometimes, but with chain stores the saving of groceries in cities helps subsidize the higher shipping cost of groceries in rural areas. Josh Luthman wrote: Just a thought...but does the price of groceries increase when you're farther from an urban area? Obviously the costs are higher

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, a lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for redundant

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread charles
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last mile done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Robert West
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of char...@knownelement.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Citations needed? I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining about middle mile/back haul issues including access

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:47 PM To: char...@knownelement.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL In my area the middle mile being built is exactly for institutions with a minor

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think largely

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Bret Clark
Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of pricing. Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem initially

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
Bret Clark wrote: Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of pricing. Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :) Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Bret Clark
Charles N Wyble wrote: Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm Yup...we're

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Tim Sylvester
Yup...we're running several wireless links (for redundancy) to a peering point (CLEC Hotel) then interconnect at that location to the Internet through various BGP interconnections with peer 1 and local CLEC's for short dollars. We found no issues with building management letting us put up our

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Bret Clark
Fortunately we are close to the CLEC hotel...about 2 mile links using Ceregon's and DragonWave for the connections and fail-over redundancy. At the CLEC hotel we collocate some edge BGP routers and use OSPF in the backbone for fail-over. Bret Tim Sylvester wrote: Yup...we're running

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already have at least *some* fiber. The cost

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Jayson Baker
That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
Chuck Bartosch wrote: In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to that-but they are going

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
-- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL In my experience, (1

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2010 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the gig that I can't really use isn't cheap

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
To: char...@knownelement.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL In my experience, (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread charles
He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread Chuck Bartosch
with 1 gig minimum commit. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use a gig right now

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-16 Thread charles
will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I can't use

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread Justin Wilson
If you are competing on price alone you will always be chasing the customer. The telco has deep pockets. Providing DSL to the customer is secondary to them. They are more interested in the subsidy they get from that line, and adding a number for the next lobby opportunity. There are

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread Sam Tetherow
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread Matt
True... but we are also heavily discounting the installation (down to free)... it's hard to make money if you do a free install, and then a month later they get a DSL promo in the mail and switch. You have lost about $200 on that one customer. And _every_ cell phone company in the nation

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread Tom DeReggi
The way to compete with $15 DSL is NOT TO. The day we have to, we might as well pack it up, and hope that we reserved a little bit of time over the previous few years to plan for our second career, after wireless. I'm a firm believer that we are better off trying to increase capacity, than

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread MDK
One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-15 Thread charles
I pay 70.00 a month for multiple static, 6mbps down/768 up. Att dsl. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:14:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL One

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
Hi Kurt, What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co. increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed tactics and just focused on businesses -- offering them multi-megabit upstream

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are answered and handled locally. We promote this heavily--and a lot of people are willing to pay more for it. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net wrote: Hi

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
That's a great point and we've noticed that too -- in fact, some of our phone techs will inform us that customers stuck with us or even switched back to us after dealing with poor (phone) support from the bigger companies. It's a good feeling, and it does still mean a lot to many people out

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Gotta offer higher speeds. Better service (customer service especially). Get a REAL bill from one of your customers. It won't be for $15. They'll have taxes, usage fees, modem rental etc. tacked on there. I've asked people that have switched from us to give us a copy of the bill so we can

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
Bassturds! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Gotta offer higher speeds. Better service (customer service especially). Get a REAL bill from one of your customers. It won't be for $15. They'll have taxes, usage fees, modem rental etc. tacked

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Richey
, 2010 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Hi Kurt, What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co. increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
$15 DSL is typically, only half the story, the telco's make about $50-$70 in phone line billing They are not selling $15 Naked DSL... I believe the best counter to this is for the WISP, to strength's their network and offer voice services Nothing is a perfect solution, but also

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer something the telco never will... A local

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
, 2010 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are answered and handled locally. We promote this heavily--and a lot of people

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 03/14/2010 11:05 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread RickG
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff.  All calls are answered and handled locally. We promote this heavily--and a lot of people are willing to pay more for it. On Sun

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