Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

2009-10-15 Thread richard sterne
More noise problems.

Richard

2009/10/15 Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com

 Internet October 14, 2009, 12:01AM EST

 Wi-Fi Is About to Get a Whole Lot Easier
 A consortium that includes Intel, Cisco, and Apple is set to release new
 technology called Wi-Fi Direct that will turn a slew of gadgets into
 hotspots

 By Olga Kharif

 Going Wi-Fi is about to get a lot easier. For many consumers, setting up an
 in-home Wi-Fi connection point is something of a hassle. Before you can
 enjoy the convenience of logging onto the Web without cables and wires, you
 need to hook up some gear and create your own hotspot.

 But that's set to change come mid-2010, when a tech upgrade will make it
 easier for users of consumer electronics to exchange files between
 electronic gadgets.

 On Oct. 14, the Wi-Fi Alliance, a tech industry consortium, said its
 members
 will release technology that effectively turns gadgets into mini access
 points, able to create wireless connections with other Wi-Fi-enabled
 gadgets
 or broadband modems within a radius of about 300 feet. The alliance
 includes
 Intel (INTC), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Apple (AAPL), and more than 300 other
 makers of the equipment that runs Wi-Fi networks, often used to provide
 wireless Web connections in homes, cafés, hotels, and airports.
 Sales Erosion Possible

 The new technology, called Wi-Fi Direct, will be built directly into
 consumer electronics and automatically scan the vicinity for existing
 hotspots and the gamut of Wi-Fi equipped devices, including phones,
 computers, TVs, and gaming consoles. Owners of most existing Wi-Fi-enabled
 devices will be able to upgrade to Wi-Fi Direct with a simple software
 download.

 While the revamp may make life easier for consumers and business owners, it
 may erode sales of other Wi-Fi compatible equipment. For starters, Wi-Fi
 Direct may curb demand for routers and other products that make up the $1
 billion annual market for Wi-Fi access points, now present in about 30% of
 U.S. homes. The IT department doesn't have to set up an access point,
 says
 Victoria Fodale, a senior analyst at In-Stat. Same thing in the home. You
 can do the same thing with less equipment. Cisco and Netgear (NTGR) are
 among the biggest sellers of Wi-Fi equipment.

 The feature also could disrupt usage of wireless Bluetooth technology that,
 for example, helps users of the Apple iPhone play games with each other
 outside a wireless network. In the future, some consumers may use Wi-Fi
 Direct instead. Though Wi-Fi connectivity tends to drain battery life
 faster
 than Bluetooth, it's also faster and allows for transfer of richer
 multimedia content like video.
 Marketing Blitz on the Way

 For Cisco, Wi-Fi Direct could make up for lost sales of Wi-Fi access points
 through other Wi-Fi-enabled equipment including camcorders. The company
 didn’t make a representative available for this story.

 Members of the Wi-Fi Alliance plan to promote their new technology with a
 major marketing blitz. Intel has already begun briefing retailers, who will
 promote the feature in their stores, says Gary Martz, senior product
 manager
 at Intel. The chipmaker will also heavily promote the capability in the
 first quarter of 2010 as it unveils its next-generation Wi-Fi chip package
 for computers.

 Chipmaker Marvell (MRVL), meantime, is planning to collaborate with its
 consumer-electronics partners to mark enabled devices with special stickers
 and to promote the capability through ads. We will make a big splash with
 Wi-Fi Direct, says Bart Giordano, product marketing manager at Marvell.
 A Boon for Smartphones

 Almost half of the 760 North American consumers surveyed in May by In-Stat
 said they use their Wi-Fi-enabled devices for more than connecting to the
 Internet. We feel that it opens up a whole new set of applications and use
 cases, Giordano says. Wi-Fi Direct will really drive the next generation
 of growth in [the use of Wi-Fi] consumer devices.

 The feature could boost usage of Wi-Fi capabilities in smartphones and
 television sets in particular. It makes adding Wi-Fi to devices that don't
 have Wi-Fi more compelling, says Kelly Davis-Felner, marketing director at
 Wi-Fi Alliance. Marvell is already talking to makers of TVs, few of whom
 offer Wi-Fi connectivity today but are now considering adding the
 capability
 to let users wirelessly transfer photos and video from their Wi-Fi-enabled
 cameras, camcorders, and netbooks directly onto TV screens.

 There's also growing interest from manufacturers of cheaper cell phones,
 Giordano says. Today, Wi-Fi can be found mostly on high-end smartphone
 models. The new use cases are really going to allow the technology to
 proliferate among devices it's not been considered for, Giordano says. We
 are expecting that this will drive a lot of growth for us. Worldwide,
 shipments of Wi-Fi-enabled cell phones should rise from 64.9 million units
 last year to 314 million units in 2013, according to 

Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

2009-10-15 Thread Nick Olsen
Were going to reach the age where the only need for 3G coverage will be on open 
highways and rural areas.
In citys it will get to the point where there is so much wi-fi coverage your 
device will be able to just hop from one to the next. Thats when your going to 
run into the noise issue. They will have to find some way to deal with that, 
That current gear can't do.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

More noise problems.

Richard

2009/10/15 Chuck Profito 

 Internet October 14, 2009, 12:01AM EST

 Wi-Fi Is About to Get a Whole Lot Easier
 A consortium that includes Intel, Cisco, and Apple is set to release new
 technology called Wi-Fi Direct that will turn a slew of gadgets into
 hotspots

 By Olga Kharif

 Going Wi-Fi is about to get a lot easier. For many consumers, setting up an
 in-home Wi-Fi connection point is something of a hassle. Before you can
 enjoy the convenience of logging onto the Web without cables and wires, you
 need to hook up some gear and create your own hotspot.

 But that's set to change come mid-2010, when a tech upgrade will make it
 easier for users of consumer electronics to exchange files between
 electronic gadgets.

 On Oct. 14, the Wi-Fi Alliance, a tech industry consortium, said its
 members
 will release technology that effectively turns gadgets into mini access
 points, able to create wireless connections with other Wi-Fi-enabled
 gadgets
 or broadband modems within a radius of about 300 feet. The alliance
 includes
 Intel (INTC), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Apple (AAPL), and more than 300 other
 makers of the equipment that runs Wi-Fi networks, often used to provide
 wireless Web connections in homes, cafés, hotels, and airports.
 Sales Erosion Possible

 The new technology, called Wi-Fi Direct, will be built directly into
 consumer electronics and automatically scan the vicinity for existing
 hotspots and the gamut of Wi-Fi equipped devices, including phones,
 computers, TVs, and gaming consoles. Owners of most existing Wi-Fi-enabled
 devices will be able to upgrade to Wi-Fi Direct with a simple software
 download.

 While the revamp may make life easier for consumers and business owners, it
 may erode sales of other Wi-Fi compatible equipment. For starters, Wi-Fi
 Direct may curb demand for routers and other products that make up the $1
 billion annual market for Wi-Fi access points, now present in about 30% of
 U.S. homes. The IT department doesn't have to set up an access point,
 says
 Victoria Fodale, a senior analyst at In-Stat. Same thing in the home. You
 can do the same thing with less equipment. Cisco and Netgear (NTGR) are
 among the biggest sellers of Wi-Fi equipment.

 The feature also could disrupt usage of wireless Bluetooth technology that,
 for example, helps users of the Apple iPhone play games with each other
 outside a wireless network. In the future, some consumers may use Wi-Fi
 Direct instead. Though Wi-Fi connectivity tends to drain battery life
 faster
 than Bluetooth, it's also faster and allows for transfer of richer
 multimedia content like video.
 Marketing Blitz on the Way

 For Cisco, Wi-Fi Direct could make up for lost sales of Wi-Fi access points
 through other Wi-Fi-enabled equipment including camcorders. The company
 didn't make a representative available for this story.

 Members of the Wi-Fi Alliance plan to promote their new technology with a
 major marketing blitz. Intel has already begun briefing retailers, who will
 promote the feature in their stores, says Gary Martz, senior product
 manager
 at Intel. The chipmaker will also heavily promote the capability in the
 first quarter of 2010 as it unveils its next-generation Wi-Fi chip package
 for computers.

 Chipmaker Marvell (MRVL), meantime, is planning to collaborate with its
 consumer-electronics partners to mark enabled devices with special stickers
 and to promote the capability through ads. We will make a big splash with
 Wi-Fi Direct, says Bart Giordano, product marketing manager at Marvell.
 A Boon for Smartphones

 Almost half of the 760 North American consumers surveyed in May by In-Stat
 said they use their Wi-Fi-enabled devices for more than connecting to the
 Internet. We feel that it opens up a whole new set of applications and use
 cases, Giordano says. Wi-Fi Direct will really drive the next generation
 of growth in [the use of Wi-Fi] consumer devices.

 The feature could boost usage of Wi-Fi capabilities in smartphones and
 television sets in particular. It makes adding Wi-Fi to devices that don't
 have Wi-Fi more compelling, says Kelly Davis-Felner, marketing director at
 Wi-Fi Alliance. Marvell is already talking to makers of TVs, few of whom
 offer Wi-Fi connectivity today but are now considering adding the
 capability

Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

2009-10-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I totally disagree with that Nick.

Without more spectrum most of these devices will find the environment so 
noisy that they'll not work well.

Also, this looks a lot like a REALLY big meshing system.  We have already 
seen what happens when you get more than a couple of devices deep.

And the security problems with this!  yowsers.

Our roads are similar.  Large mesh, open architecture, minimal rules etc. 
The difference is spectrum.  Roads cover a LOT of area.  We have the 
equivalent of a drive way or two worth of spectrum to play with.

Either way, it'll be interesting for sure.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today


Were going to reach the age where the only need for 3G coverage will be on 
open highways and rural areas.
In citys it will get to the point where there is so much wi-fi coverage your 
device will be able to just hop from one to the next. Thats when your going 
to run into the noise issue. They will have to find some way to deal with 
that, That current gear can't do.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today

More noise problems.

Richard

2009/10/15 Chuck Profito

 Internet October 14, 2009, 12:01AM EST

 Wi-Fi Is About to Get a Whole Lot Easier
 A consortium that includes Intel, Cisco, and Apple is set to release new
 technology called Wi-Fi Direct that will turn a slew of gadgets into
 hotspots

 By Olga Kharif

 Going Wi-Fi is about to get a lot easier. For many consumers, setting up 
 an
 in-home Wi-Fi connection point is something of a hassle. Before you can
 enjoy the convenience of logging onto the Web without cables and wires, 
 you
 need to hook up some gear and create your own hotspot.

 But that's set to change come mid-2010, when a tech upgrade will make it
 easier for users of consumer electronics to exchange files between
 electronic gadgets.

 On Oct. 14, the Wi-Fi Alliance, a tech industry consortium, said its
 members
 will release technology that effectively turns gadgets into mini access
 points, able to create wireless connections with other Wi-Fi-enabled
 gadgets
 or broadband modems within a radius of about 300 feet. The alliance
 includes
 Intel (INTC), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Apple (AAPL), and more than 300 other
 makers of the equipment that runs Wi-Fi networks, often used to provide
 wireless Web connections in homes, cafés, hotels, and airports.
 Sales Erosion Possible

 The new technology, called Wi-Fi Direct, will be built directly into
 consumer electronics and automatically scan the vicinity for existing
 hotspots and the gamut of Wi-Fi equipped devices, including phones,
 computers, TVs, and gaming consoles. Owners of most existing Wi-Fi-enabled
 devices will be able to upgrade to Wi-Fi Direct with a simple software
 download.

 While the revamp may make life easier for consumers and business owners, 
 it
 may erode sales of other Wi-Fi compatible equipment. For starters, Wi-Fi
 Direct may curb demand for routers and other products that make up the $1
 billion annual market for Wi-Fi access points, now present in about 30% of
 U.S. homes. The IT department doesn't have to set up an access point,
 says
 Victoria Fodale, a senior analyst at In-Stat. Same thing in the home. You
 can do the same thing with less equipment. Cisco and Netgear (NTGR) are
 among the biggest sellers of Wi-Fi equipment.

 The feature also could disrupt usage of wireless Bluetooth technology 
 that,
 for example, helps users of the Apple iPhone play games with each other
 outside a wireless network. In the future, some consumers may use Wi-Fi
 Direct instead. Though Wi-Fi connectivity tends to drain battery life
 faster
 than Bluetooth, it's also faster and allows for transfer of richer
 multimedia content like video.
 Marketing Blitz on the Way

 For Cisco, Wi-Fi Direct could make up for lost sales of Wi-Fi access 
 points
 through other Wi-Fi-enabled equipment including camcorders. The company
 didn't make a representative available for this story.

 Members of the Wi-Fi Alliance plan to promote their new technology with a
 major marketing blitz. Intel has already begun briefing retailers, who 
 will
 promote the feature in their stores, says Gary Martz, senior product
 manager
 at Intel. The chipmaker will also heavily promote the capability in the
 first quarter of 2010 as it unveils its next-generation Wi-Fi chip package
 for computers.

 Chipmaker Marvell (MRVL), meantime, is planning to collaborate with its
 consumer-electronics partners to mark enabled devices with special 
 stickers
 and to promote the capability through ads. We will make a big splash with
 Wi-Fi