Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

2011-06-21 Thread Cameron Crum
Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in the
90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product sold to
cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! Other competitors
were selling their software for $30,000 per seat per YEAR! The fact that he
gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So the next time you use RM casually,
think about that retail price of similar tools and see if it isn't worth
coughing up a little cash. I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free
edition and a commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe
it's time?

Cameron

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 Agreed.  I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well.  Come on
 guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!?  The man needs
 our help!

 Regards,
 Chuck


 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netwrote:

 For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate
 if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year.  Roger got laid off from
 his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile.  I think a
 little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone
 that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program.

 ** **

 There is a donate button on his website.
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html

 ** **

 ** **

 Jim Patient

 Link Technologies, Inc.

 314-735-0270

 www.linktechs.net
 

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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

2011-06-21 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 6/21/2011 09:53 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in 
the 90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product 
sold to cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! 
Other competitors were selling their software for $30,000 per seat 
per YEAR! The fact that he gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So 
the next time you use RM casually, think about that retail price of 
similar tools and see if it isn't worth coughing up a little cash. 
I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free edition and a 
commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe it's time?


Since he no longer has the constraints of his now-former employer, 
perhaps it is...



Cameron

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg 
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.comch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
Agreed.  I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as 
well.  Come on guys, how many of you have used this valuable free 
program!?  The man needs our help!


Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient 
mailto:jpati...@linktechs.netjpati...@linktechs.net wrote:


For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to 
donate if you haven't sent your donation yet this year.  Roger got 
laid off from his job but still continues to update and improve 
Radio Mobile.  I think a little help from the WISP community would 
be a great gesture for someone that has worked so hard to bring us a 
valuable free program.




There is a donate button on his website. 
http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.htmlhttp://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html




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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

2011-06-21 Thread listbox
Jim Patient wrote:

 For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to 
donate...

Done.  Good call.

Bob




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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

2011-06-20 Thread Chuck Hogg
Agreed.  I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well.  Come on
guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!?  The man needs
our help!

Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate
 if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year.  Roger got laid off from
 his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile.  I think a
 little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone
 that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program.

 ** **

 There is a donate button on his website.
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html

 ** **

 ** **

 Jim Patient

 Link Technologies, Inc.

 314-735-0270

 www.linktechs.net
 

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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload

2010-09-14 Thread Chris Hudson
c:\windows\system32


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Richardson 
  To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:37 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload


  Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can't find rmwdlx32.DLL

   

  Where is it supposed to go?

   

   

   

   

   



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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload

2010-09-14 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 9/14/2010 07:37 PM, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary=_000_23DADC444ADCA14F88BD510F7E6BAA2B66D67519AEVMBX116ihoste_

Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can't find rmwdlx32.DLL

Where is it supposed to go?


In the program files\radio mobile directory, with the executable.

The latest one seems to be from January, though I'm sure it's 
included in the current download (I'm up to 10.7.6).






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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile reload

2010-09-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
/home/breadstick/.wine/drive_c/RadioMobile/

That file should have been in the same zip (rmw1079eng.zip) as rmwemg.exe


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Had to reload Radio Mobile. Keeps complaing that it can’t find rmwdlx32.DLL



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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
www.fcc.gov
Click on search
Click on FCC ID # Search
Enter in appropriate information
BAM


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From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:01 PM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got
 no results.  Must be it's not that easy.  Can I get a little more
 direction on how to find something there?  Explain it in simple terms
 (pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*.

 Brian

 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
 datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the 
 manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application 
 filing documents available on the FCC id search database.

 Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is 
 SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually 
 since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer 
 choice as discussed on the list recently).

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net

 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I
need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on
the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the
data sheet. Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:

  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


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From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what

  
  it
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  

  
  do
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Reed
Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site?  Most of the antenna 
companies do.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
 the data sheet.  Will that work?

 Brian

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

   
 Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
 PayPal.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 
 it
   
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
   
 do
   
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   
 On
 
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer 
sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents 
available on the FCC id search database. 

Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. 
The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower 
gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on 
the list recently). 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read. I only wanted to
"guess" so much at all the numbers. I thought there might be a better
pattern of info on the fcc site.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site?  Most of the antenna 
companies do.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Ins

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got 
no results.  Must be it's not that easy.  Can I get a little more 
direction on how to find something there?  Explain it in simple terms 
(pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*.

Brian

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's 
 datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the 
 manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application 
 filing documents available on the FCC id search database. 

 Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. 
 The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a 
 lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as 
 discussed on the list recently). 

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net

 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Eric Muehleisen
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the 
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX 
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
 the data sheet.  Will that work?

 Brian

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

   
 Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
 PayPal.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 
 it
   
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
   
 do
   
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   
 On
 
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

Eric Muehleisen wrote:

  FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the 
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX 
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
  
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I 
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and 
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on 
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from 
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

  
  
  
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what


  
  it
  
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


  
  On
  
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile





  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  
  

  
  do
  
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Pl

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Webster
Brian,
Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

  Eric Muehleisen wrote:
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
what

it

  can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

On

  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to

  do

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
Besides 60deg is same on all antennas since that is to denote where your 3dB of 
max gain on the antenna. How much signal you lose outside will differ from 
antenna to antenna and the size of the side lobes. But the most interesting 
portion is what you have inside the 60deg and there all antennas is pretty much 
identical. 

/Eje 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:03:48 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


Brian,
Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

  Eric Muehleisen wrote:
FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
will give you accurate numbers.

-Eric

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
the data sheet.  Will that work?

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
I
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
what

it

  can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

On

  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread George Rogato
My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate 
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the 
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath 
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down 
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the 
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and 
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very 
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
 Brian,
 Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
 and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
 antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
 are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
 in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
 that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
 
 
 
 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
 
   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
 antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
 will give you accurate numbers.
 
 -Eric
 
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
 the data sheet.  Will that work?
 
 Brian
 
 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
 take
 PayPal.
 
 Best,
 
 
 Brad
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me
 
 Anyway, what's next?
 
 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
 terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
 
 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
 
 Check ZIP
 
 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
 
 Let me know when you have this set up.
 
 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
 
 
 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
 
 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
 
   You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do
 what
 
 it
 
   can.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Heya George,

Take the time to go through this and really check out the pictures.

http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm

I tried to find the original page that I got the 3d pics from but the page 
is gone.  There are some that do a really good job of showing why this is 
what you see.  Take a look at how much energy goes out the back of some of 
the plots that are on there.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate
 in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
 To give you a couple examples.
 I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the
 center 1 mile out.

 I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

 I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath
 of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down
 outside of the intended coverage area.
 You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the
 back side.

 I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and
 cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very
 accurate.



 Brian Webster wrote:
 Brian,
 Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the 
 archives
 and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
 antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if 
 you
 are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar 
 one
 in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't 
 be
 that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
 antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
 will give you accurate numbers.

 -Eric

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
 the data sheet.  Will that work?

 Brian

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
 take
 PayPal.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
 terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread Brian Webster
Yes the front to back ratio is probably the most difference you will see in
antenna patterns from manufacturer to manufacturer. Since they can't cheat
the laws of physics and the power they get in the forward direction of a
certain beam width antenna, they can spend the money on construction and
design features to minimize the emissions for the rest of the pattern and
that includes the signal off the back. You can build radio mobile antenna
patterns with a spreadsheet located in the yahoo groups file section. It's
not to hard to do.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato [mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:01 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
 Brian,
 Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the
archives
 and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
 antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if
you
 are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar
one
 in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't
be
 that much different from one manufacturer to the other.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.

   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
 antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
 will give you accurate numbers.

 -Eric

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
 the data sheet.  Will that work?

 Brian

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
 take
 PayPal.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
 terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-08 Thread eje
Keep in mind antennas are not digital but analog. You can get signal outside 
the pattern. Also most of the patterns are computer designed and is close to 
what real world but not perfect. Sometimes your sidelobes are bigger then what 
datasheet shows and sometimes you have a slightly defect antenna that is 
throwing signals more in a unexpected direction. Also environment can help out 
to get unexpected result so with a reflector on the side of an antenna you 
could get better then expected signals on the sides of the antenna where you 
would expect less or nothing. 

Most important to keep in mind with antennas and their signal patterns is that 
they are analog. Can compare to a flash light in a dark room. You even have 
slight illumination right behind you and more on the sides. How much depends on 
the quality of the reflector and what material it being shone on. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:00:46 
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate 
in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them.
To give you a couple examples.
I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the 
center 1 mile out.

I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was.

I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath 
of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down 
outside of the intended coverage area.
You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the 
back side.

I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and 
cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very 
accurate.



Brian Webster wrote:
 Brian,
 Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives
 and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own
 antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you
 are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one
 in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be
 that much different from one manufacturer to the other.
 
 
 
 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
   I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points.
 
   Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the
 antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX
 will give you accurate numbers.
 
 -Eric
 
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
   So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days.  I
 need to make my antenna patterns.  I use ubiquiti powerstations and
 need to find the info on the antenna.  How do I look up that info on
 the fcc website?  FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from
 the data sheet.  Will that work?
 
 Brian
 
 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, lot lower risk that way.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
   Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO
 take
 PayPal.
 
 Best,
 
 
 Brad
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me
 
 Anyway, what's next?
 
 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
 
 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct
 terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
 
 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
 
 Check ZIP
 
 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
 
 Let me know when you have this set up

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal  I 
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things 
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your 
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Brad Belton
Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
PayPal.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal  I 
had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things 
from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your 
helping me

Anyway, what's next?

thanks,
marlon
509.988.0260

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Marlon's stuck in 1995.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Yeah, lot lower risk that way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ha...pretty funny.  I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take
 PayPal.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you.  I HATE paypal 
 I
 had to create an account in order to send this.  I don't even buy things
 from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your
 helping me

 Anyway, what's next?

 thanks,
 marlon
 509.988.0260

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-04 Thread Edward H. Winters
Marlon,

Here's the simplest how-to for radio mobile that i know of
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14302

Ed

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:20:08 -0800
Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

 Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that 
 area and create a printable map?
 
 If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want 
 to do.  I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with 
 rm though.
 
 Do you have a suggestion for a product that would do a better job of what 
 I'm trying to do?
 
 The only other one I know of was the one that wpcs used to have, but it was 
 something like $50k.  There was one that EC used to sell coverage maps from, 
 but I don't remember who made them.  Kingston or something like that?  Each 
 map was in the thousands as I recall.
 
 thanks,
 marlon
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens
  to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to
  calculate.
 
 
 
  Thank You,
  Brian Webster
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
 
  Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put 
  a
  good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
  program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
  interested in
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
  can.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
  Sold!
 
  I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
  srtm.
  I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
 
  Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
 
  You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
  that?
 
  We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
 
  Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
  __
 
  airCloud Communications
  Broadband for Business
  Public and Private WiFi
 
  Jerry Richardson
  VP Operations
  925-260-4119
  _
 
  ConsuWISP
  RF Topographical Coverage Maps
  Network Optimization and Planning
  Network Design and Troubleshooting
  Installer and Technician Training
 
  Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
  I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
  documentation.
 
  I'll pay someone for their time.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  Uhm...ya...
 
  Try this...
 
  http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
  --- Henry Spencer
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
  how
  to
  get
  started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
  willing
  to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
 
  Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
 
 
 
 
 



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-04 Thread RickG
I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great
results once you get the hang of it but for quick  dirty just use Delorme
Topo.
-RickG

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, I have that in there.  Nothing happened.

 Just send WHAT?  An email?  What's it supposed to say?

 I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too.  I don't have
 a PIN number or anything.  If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and
 get some.  How hard is that?  Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there.
 People are s much nicer to deal with that machines.  Well, usually.
 grin

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
  data as needed.
  - Open RM
  - Options
  - Internet
  - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
  your region at the end
  ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
 
  To determine your region:
  ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg
 
  Check ZIP
 
  So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
  ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
 
  Let me know when you have this set up.
 
  As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
  to jrichard...@aircloud.com.
 
 
  __
  Jerry Richardson
  airCloud Communications
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
  I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
 
  Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
  put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
  mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
  you are interested in
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
  it
  can.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
  Sold!
 
  I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
  srtm.
  I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!
 
  Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
 
  You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  do
  that?
 
  We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
 
  Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
  __
 
  airCloud Communications
  Broadband for Business
  Public and Private WiFi
 
  Jerry Richardson
  VP Operations
  925-260-4119
  _
 
  ConsuWISP
  RF Topographical Coverage Maps
  Network Optimization and Planning
  Network Design and Troubleshooting
  Installer and Technician Training
 
  Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
  I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
  documentation.
 
  I'll pay someone for their time.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
 
 
  Uhm...ya...
 
  Try this...
 
  http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
  poorly.
  --- Henry Spencer
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
  how
  to
  get
  started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
  willing
  to spend some time on the phone and help me

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-04 Thread Blair Davis




I've been using Delorme Topo for years. you have to know your trees,
but it works fine to see if a link is possable or not

RickG wrote:

  I made some notes when I first started using RM (attached). RM gives great
results once you get the hang of it but for quick  dirty just use Delorme
Topo.
-RickG

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

  
  
OK, I have that in there.  Nothing happened.

Just send WHAT?  An email?  What's it supposed to say?

I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too.  I don't have
a PIN number or anything.  If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and
get some.  How hard is that?  Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there.
People are s much nicer to deal with that machines.  Well, usually.
grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what

  
  it
  
  
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
  

  
  do
  
  

  that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,

  


Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread John Valenti
Marlon,
I've also had problems getting started with Radio Mobile. I haven't  
tried it yet, but Snowcrash on the StarOS forums suggested the  
tutorial at this site.
http://www.g3tvu.co.uk/Quick_Start.htm
It looks promising. Maybe better printed out on a black  white  
printer :-)
-John

On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out  
 how to get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone  
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?




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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Scott Reed
I use RM a lot. I think you might find the tutorial much better than 
talking to someone.  It goes at your speed, when you want and does a 
good job of giving you the basics and then what else it can do.  And, as 
the saying goes, a picture is worth 1000 words.  He shows you what you 
should see so you know you did the right thing.

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. 
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Get your SRTM data from here...
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/

-Eric

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. 
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


   
 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 
 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

   
 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
 
 to
 
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon





 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Mark McElvy
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm. 
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflmao

You guys really do give me FAR too much credit here!

How the heck do I figure out which of those I need?  Or do I need ALL of 
them?

thanks
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Get your SRTM data from here...
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/

 -Eric

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the 
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile



 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how

 to

 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon






 
 

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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put a 
good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping 
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are 
interested in
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed. 
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

To determine your region: 
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

Check ZIP

So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/
 
Let me know when you have this set up.

As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
to jrichard...@aircloud.com.

 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
you are interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon








 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Marlon is going to get his tin foil hat out before he uses Paypal.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:42 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, I have that in there.  Nothing happened.

Just send WHAT?  An email?  What's it supposed to say?

I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too.  I don't have 
a PIN number or anything.  If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and 
get some.  How hard is that?  Plus I get to talk to the cute gals there. 
People are s much nicer to deal with that machines.  Well, usually. 
grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
 data as needed.
 - Open RM
 - Options
 - Internet
 - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
 your region at the end
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/

 To determine your region:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg

 Check ZIP

 So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like:
 ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/

 Let me know when you have this set up.

 As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it
 to jrichard...@aircloud.com.


 __
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to
 put a good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a
 mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data
 you are interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what
 it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to
 do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon







 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
Marlon,
Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was
gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very
hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in
the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very
good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in
fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy
programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn
by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great
program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn
how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put a
good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Brian Webster
Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens
to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to
calculate.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put a
good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson




Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the
Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it
should donate as well... 

Travis
Microserv

Brian Webster wrote:

  Marlon,
	Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was
gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very
hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in
the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very
good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in
fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy
programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn
by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great
program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn
how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put a
good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile




  I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  
  
Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:



  Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
  

  

how


  to
  
  

  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  

  




  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I get all that Brian.  And, naturally you are right.

I am sure that Roger is a great guy, if I ever get the chance to meet him 
I'd love to buy him a beer, on behalf of everyone that gets to take 
advantage of his hard work.  I've give away more than a little of my own 
time and knowledge, with no expectation of a thank you let alone payment.  I 
have the utmost respect for anyone that would do what he's done.

Since this is freeware, maybe someone would like to make it at least as easy 
as, oh I duno, maybe Quickbooks?  Not the easiest program in the world, but 
at least the average person can get it up and running without having to 
study a manual first.

But I digress, I've not spent more time chasing my tail around an email 
thread than I'd have spent on the phone with someone that could have walked 
me through the setup and basic functions of this program.  I knew that could 
happen.  But that's the way it goes.

Sometimes people think that everyone knows what they know.  Like me telling 
a customer to right click.  Sometimes they don't know what a right click is. 
Just like I don't know what I'm supposed to do with a paypal email address 
thingy.  I'm just that not far along on the subject to even get started on 
my own.

Many here have told of how hard it is to master RM.  I've heard that over 
and over for years.  Believe me, if I had 1 or 3 sites to look at I'd just 
have hired someone to deal with the map for me.  I have 10s of sites to look 
at though.  Across a large area.  I have to first map out the 30+ sites I 
have, then fill in the holes and extend it by another 30 or so towers.  I 
don't think I can get that done for even $1000 let alone a few hundred 
consulting dollars I'm more than happy to give to someone.

What is it that Clint Eastood said?  A man's gotta know his limitations. 
I know mine, and sitting down to read up on how to even get started with a 
software package isn't one of my strong suits!  grin

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Marlon,
 Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
 programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was
 gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very
 hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in
 the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very
 good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in
 fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy
 programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn
 by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a 
 great
 program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn
 how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put 
 a
 good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
 program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
 interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP

Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that 
area and create a printable map?

If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want 
to do.  I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with 
rm though.

Do you have a suggestion for a product that would do a better job of what 
I'm trying to do?

The only other one I know of was the one that wpcs used to have, but it was 
something like $50k.  There was one that EC used to sell coverage maps from, 
but I don't remember who made them.  Kingston or something like that?  Each 
map was in the thousands as I recall.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens
 to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to
 calculate.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

 Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put 
 a
 good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
 program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
 interested in
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
 can.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 Sold!

 I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
 srtm.
 I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

 Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

 You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
 that?

 We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

 Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

 __

 airCloud Communications
 Broadband for Business
 Public and Private WiFi

 Jerry Richardson
 VP Operations
 925-260-4119
 _

 ConsuWISP
 RF Topographical Coverage Maps
 Network Optimization and Planning
 Network Design and Troubleshooting
 Installer and Technician Training

 Please consider the environment before printing this email


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

 I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
 documentation.

 I'll pay someone for their time.

 thanks,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


 Uhm...ya...

 Try this...

 http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
 how
 to
 get
 started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
 willing
 to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

 Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

 thanks,
 marlon






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

2009-03-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Good idea.  I'll try to remember to do that!
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the Radio 
Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it should donate 
as well... 

  Travis
  Microserv

  Brian Webster wrote: 
Marlon,
Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was
gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very
hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a few) cost in
the 10's to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I sent you links to two very
good tutorials on how to use this program, step by step instructions in
fact. You not wanting to read the directions does not make someone a lazy
programmer or a bad program. RF Engineering is not something you can learn
by paying someone $100 for some phone tech support. Radio Mobile is a great
program but it is not easy and it will take a lot of time for you to learn
how to work it to the full potential and to get proper results.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


I understand that.  Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?

Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy!  How hard can it be to put a
good install program in place?  Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
interested in
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it
can.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

Sold!

I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the
srtm.
I don't know which data set to get.  WHAT a POS system this is!

Also, I don't have paypal.  If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.

You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?

We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.

Price 100.00 paid via PayPal

__

airCloud Communications
Broadband for Business
Public and Private WiFi

Jerry Richardson
VP Operations
925-260-4119
_

ConsuWISP
RF Topographical Coverage Maps
Network Optimization and Planning
Network Design and Troubleshooting
Installer and Technician Training

Please consider the environment before printing this email


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile

I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
documentation.

I'll pay someone for their time.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile


  Uhm...ya...

Try this...

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

Hi All,

I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out
  how
to
  get
started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
willing
to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?

Shoot me your number and a good time to call.

thanks,
marlon





  


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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
So then should I be engineering my customer links to .6 Fresnel instead of 
the  1 that I've been trying to achieve?



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http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile



Mike,
As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other
to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not
always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even 
number

Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd
number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover 
up
as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you 
hear

people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel
zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level 
of

detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter
resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the
default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if 
you
want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format 
to

use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent
terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees,
buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain 
data

http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/

You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1
kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file
http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the
world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in
Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a
prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect 
for
any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM 
Path

program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile
inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file 
(using

notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file
correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each
value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter
heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you 
would
then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export 
to
RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my 
export.

This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the
default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you 
will

see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The
colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this 
point
you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter 
absorption,

but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually
edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in 
your

path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole
square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the
world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a 
truck

roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a
WISP can use.

I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF
Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by
ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not 
do
many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks, 
I

will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions
that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple
field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path
studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high
resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have
these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to
improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person 
on
their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save 
you

a lot of aggravation.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 
db
of loss due to that.  It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I 
have

a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Brian

RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Webster
I would try to get between .6 and 1. If you expose the second zone then the
phase canceling starts and reduces your signal level.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


So then should I be engineering my customer links to .6 Fresnel instead of
the  1 that I've been trying to achieve?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


 Mike,
 As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the other
 to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not
 always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even
 number
 Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd
 number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover
 up
 as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you
 hear
 people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel
 zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level
 of
 detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter
 resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the
 default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if
 you
 want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format
 to
 use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent
 terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees,
 buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain
 data
 http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/

 You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1
 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file
 http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the
 world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in
 Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a
 prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect
 for
 any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM
 Path
 program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile
 inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file
 (using
 notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file
 correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each
 value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter
 heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you
 would
 then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export
 to
 RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my
 export.
 This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the
 default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you
 will
 see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The
 colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this
 point
 you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter
 absorption,
 but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually
 edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in
 your
 path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole
 square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the
 world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a
 truck
 roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a
 WISP can use.

 I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF
 Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by
 ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not
 do
 many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks,
 I
 will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions
 that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple
 field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path
 studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high
 resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have
 these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to
 improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person
 on
 their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save
 you
 a lot of aggravation.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday

RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-02 Thread Brian Webster
Mike,
As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the 
other
to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not
always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even number
Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd
number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover up
as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you hear
people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel
zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level of
detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter
resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the
default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if you
want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format to
use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent
terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees,
buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain data
http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/

You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1
kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file
http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the
world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in
Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a
prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect for
any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM Path
program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile
inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file (using
notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file
correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each
value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter
heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you would
then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export to
RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my export.
This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the
default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you will
see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The
colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this point
you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter absorption,
but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually
edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in your
path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole
square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the
world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do a truck
roll. This used in conjunction with Google Earth is just one more tool a
WISP can use.

I have been in the wireless industry for 18 years (including Senior RF
Engineering Manager at EarthLink). I currently have Planet, ICS Telecom by
ATDI and Radio Mobile as RF prediction tools. While Radio Mobile does not do
many of the advanced features I need to design PCS and Cellular networks, I
will attest that given the same data to start with, I can do predictions
that match or beat the expensive commercial tools when it comes to simple
field strength plots (which is what you want for coverage maps and path
studies). Where the commercial tools excel, is when I can get high
resolution clutter and building data. Radio Mobile simply does not have
these capabilities (although I work with the author on a regular basis to
improve Radio Mobile). I would highly recommend each WISP get one person on
their staff to become somewhat proficient in this software. It can save you
a lot of aggravation.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db
of loss due to that.  It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have
a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


 Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
 be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
 variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view
 details
 you will get a text window

Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-02 Thread Matt Liotta
: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db
of loss due to that.  It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have
a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile



Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view
details
you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to
look
for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't
have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you
will
be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the
pattern.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On a 3
km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What
the
radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right
antenna
files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-02 Thread Brian Webster
Matt,
There are many things to consider with mapping data. SRTM and other 
terrain
files all have their native map projection and datum. It takes someone
strong in the GIS and mapping field to make sure these files get overlaid
and used properly without shifting any one of the layers out of alignment
with the other. I use various GIS tools to achieve these tasks. The USGS
does provide good quality clutter data for free but it does require someone
to find it and then get it in a format they can use and/or convert it to the
proper projection and datum to match their existing data. So to answer your
question, I prefer the free data the taxpayers paid for when available. I
have also paid for very high resolution clutter data (1 to 2 meter
resolution) but that gets expensive because that gets tediously created by
hand and someone has to pay for that. Vendor to vendor does not seem to
matter as much as converting it properly once obtained.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


I have found most people don't purchase clutter data even when using the
commercial tools when used as part of a fixed wireless operation. They
generally just put in an average height to use. This is what we do as
well even though we purchased clutter data. Although, we aren't using
commercial software; our application was written in-house. We weren't
able to use the data because it didn't match up correctly with SRTM. The
data vendor suggested buying ground data to match the clutter data, but
we didn't want to pay for ground data when SRTM is free and good.

In your experience, have you been able to get clutter data to match up
with SRTM? If so, what resolution and what data vendor did you use?

-Matt

Brian Webster wrote:
 Mike,
   As mentioned by another, try adjusting the height of one end or the 
 other
 to increase signal level. As Mac will tell you, higher on a site is not
 always better. If you can engineer a path to obstruct as much of even
number
 Fresnel zones as possible it will help your signal level. Even and odd
 number Fresnel zones cancel each other out. Using an obstruction to cover
up
 as many even number zones as possible gives some gain. This is why you
hear
 people say that you want to design a microwave backhaul with a .6 Fresnel
 zone clearance. The danger in doing that with Radio Mobile, is the level
of
 detail in your terrain files. Radio Mobile is capable of using 10 meter
 resolution terrain data from the USGS Seamless data distribution site (the
 default that the program downloads from the internet is 30 meter), or if
you
 want, Roger (the Radio Mobile author) can create the data in SRTM format
to
 use in Radio Mobile http://www.lurodata.com/. While this gives excellent
 terrain data details, it still does not show your clutter (trees,
 buildings). Take a look at this site to see the differences in terrain
data
 http://www.sector14.net/~curt/ned/

   You can do some visualization of clutter data in Radio Mobile at 1
 kilometer resolution for free. If you download this file
 http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/1km-map/UMD1km_L.zip you will have the
 world clutter data at 1 KM resolution. This file can then be overlaid in
 Radio Mobile as a map layer. It will not let you use it as part of a
 prediction, but you can get an idea of the type of land cover to expect
for
 any given area. You can also use this file in conjunction with the RM
Path
 program in Radio Mobile to insert the clutter in your path profile
 inspections. To do this you must first edit the landheight.dat file
(using
 notepad) in your Radio Mobile main directory. The numbers in this file
 correspond to the color coded legend on a land cover map layer merge. Each
 value is in meters and would be changed to represent the average clutter
 heights for each clutter class in your area. Once this is complete you
would
 then do a path profile in Radio Mobile. In that window do a file export
to
 RMPath, chose the custom option and I like to use 1000 points in my
export.
 This will save a file (name it whatever you want or just overwrite the
 default) and open the RM Path program window. In this path profile you
will
 see the terrain cross section with the clutter data layered on top. The
 colors match what you would see as a merged layer on the map. At this
point
 you will NOT have a new signal level calculated based on clutter
absorption,
 but you will know what to expect for path blockages. You can also manually
 edit the test file that was exported to insert any know obstructions in
your
 path. Keep in mind, this data is very general in that it paints a whole
 square kilometer with the same class of clutter. Its not the best in the
 world, but for free it gives you a lot more to look at before you do

RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-01 Thread Brian Webster
Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details
you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look
for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't
have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will
be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the
pattern.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On a 3
km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What the
radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna
files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.


-
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-01 Thread Scott Reed
And RM uses the terrain data to determine which Fresnal zones impact the 
signal.  Raise or lower one antenna in 1 m increments and see the 
difference.  Most of the other programs I have seen just use the 
distance, they show different values than does RM.


Brian Webster wrote:

Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view details
you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to look
for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't
have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you will
be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the
pattern.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On a 3
km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What the
radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right antenna
files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.


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RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Thanks for the info Brian!

It has taken me all of 45 years to figure out when to listen, when to shut
up and when to just shut up and listen. 

I appreciate (as I am sure anyone that struggles with getting RM setup) the
fine advice and direction you give.

From Louisiana: HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL!!

Mac





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
 
 Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There
 will
 be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
 variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view
 details
 you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
 program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to
 look
 for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you
 don't
 have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you
 will
 be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in
 the
 pattern.
 
 
 
 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
 
 
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 Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile
 
 
 How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On
 a 3
 km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What
 the
 radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
 calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right
 antenna
 files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db 
of loss due to that.  It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have 
a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics.



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From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile



Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view 
details

you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to 
look

for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't
have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you 
will

be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the
pattern.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On a 3
km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What 
the

radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right 
antenna

files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile

2008-01-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Right, the AP isn't directly at the client, but it says there's only 0.8 db 
of loss due to that.  It says I lose 7.4 dB due to obstruction (when I have 
a 1.4 Fresnel zone) and 6.6 due to statistics.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Radio Mobile



Radio Mobile is not doing a simple free space loss calculation. There will
be a fade margin factored in based on the numbers you use for mode of
variability. If you open the path profile window then do a view 
details

you will get a text window that shows all the calculation details the
program used to derive the numbers. That is the first place to start to 
look

for the difference. The other thing you may be seeing is that if you don't
have the antennas aimed directly at each other, in the calculation you 
will

be getting the gain from something other than the strongest point in the
pattern.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Mobile


How do I figure out how Radio Mobile arrives at it's signal level?  On a 3
km link in 5 GHz, I'm off 15 - 20 db from Eje's power calculator.  What 
the

radio link window says is really close to the input numbers for Eje's
calculator.  Why they're different is that I actually used the right 
antenna

files and hard fixed the AP at N, S, E, and W.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





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