Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-24 Thread Martes Wigglesworth
These types of questions make my back-fat tingle... hehehe

The BSD route is the cheapest and still works great, in my small
environment.  You can do what this gentleman is doing but with bandwidth
shaping with dummynet.  I think that it can get a bit tricky when
figuring out the right bucket size, however, I was managing bandwidth
for roughly 80 users, and an internet cafe that was supplying the second
satelite in Iraq with a P4, 256MB ram, and 10GB hard drive in a
rackmount enclosure and two satellites for second tier provisioning.  Of
course this was not in the 20mb/s range, but the band-shaping policies
worked flawlessly.  I symmetrically shaped each user, and wrote a script
to manage unused pipes if they did not die quickly enough.  Of course
this was a build of necessity, due to the environment and lack of easily
procurable cisco stuff, but if I had instituted Asterisk, then I would
have had the same functionality of a cisco 3800, possibly. 

Ahhh Fun times And then I got shot in the left check like
Forest.  Still pretty fun though... hehehe

Sorry if this is too much of an amateur solution for you big guys out
there, but I just love my BSD

I also build into the system a kill switch, for those times when we were
on black-outs due to something urgent, like a death needing to be
disseminated to the family members prior to a video tribute reaching
YouTube, or something like that. 

Worked out pretty nice, and I am still using the same design this
minute.  


On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 02:28 -0400, George Rogato wrote:
 Not sure about load balancing, as for policy routing, thats easy. We do 
 that with a bsd box.
 I would assume all the routers, imagestream, MT, Star, Cisco, etc etc.
 can handle various wans with policy routing. We just haven't done our 
 router upgrade yet and handle ours on an older bsd box.
 
 George
 
 Alan Long wrote:
  I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
  users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
  different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
  with gear to handle this?
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-23 Thread George Rogato
Not sure about load balancing, as for policy routing, thats easy. We do 
that with a bsd box.
I would assume all the routers, imagestream, MT, Star, Cisco, etc etc.
can handle various wans with policy routing. We just haven't done our 
router upgrade yet and handle ours on an older bsd box.

George

Alan Long wrote:
 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
 with gear to handle this?
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-23 Thread Alan Long
The 2 circuits will be ethernet feeds, one is a wireless backhaul to my main
pop, and the other will be a fiber handoff from another provider. Both in
the 10-20mb/s range for spped of circuit. The fiber will be the primary
feed.
As for laod balancing, it will ne nat. I think now after looking at our
layout we willprobably go with an active-standby setup where we have the
fiber connection be the main link out and in case of failure of that link
roll to the wireless bacjhaullink.
Thanks so much for the feedback.

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On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 16:20 -0500, Alan Long wrote:
 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support
450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any
experience
 with gear to handle this?

Alan, 
I have done this type of thing with everything from Mikrotik to
ImageStream to Cisco (YUK). 

1. What type of circuits are the 2 wan connections?
2. How much overall bandwidth do you need to route (could be answered by
#1)
3. By load balance, do you mean NAT or a BGP type load balance?

Depending on the answers to the above question I can provide you with a
better answer as to which equipment is best.  There are, of course, low
grade consumer devices that can do this, but I doubt that's what you
were looking for.

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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
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Alan Long wrote:
 The 2 circuits will be ethernet feeds, one is a wireless backhaul to my main
 pop, and the other will be a fiber handoff from another provider. Both in
 the 10-20mb/s range for spped of circuit. The fiber will be the primary
 feed.
 As for laod balancing, it will ne nat. I think now after looking at our
 layout we willprobably go with an active-standby setup where we have the
 fiber connection be the main link out and in case of failure of that link
 roll to the wireless bacjhaullink.
 Thanks so much for the feedback.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 16:20 -0500, Alan Long wrote:
   
 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support
 
 450
   
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any
 
 experience
   
 with gear to handle this?
 

 Alan, 
 I have done this type of thing with everything from Mikrotik to
 ImageStream to Cisco (YUK). 

 1. What type of circuits are the 2 wan connections?
 2. How much overall bandwidth do you need to route (could be answered by
 #1)
 3. By load balance, do you mean NAT or a BGP type load balance?

 Depending on the answers to the above question I can provide you with a
 better answer as to which equipment is best.  There are, of course, low
 grade consumer devices that can do this, but I doubt that's what you
 were looking for.

   



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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Alan,

Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

What are the link speeds?

How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

What pricepoint are you looking for?

Jeff
ImageStream 

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different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
with gear to handle this?

 





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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Charles Wyble
Excellent questions to ask.

I would recommend a mid range cisco router. Say the 1800 or 2800 series.

Also Vyata makes some nice kit.

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
 Hi Alan,
 
 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?
 
 What are the link speeds?
 
 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?
 
 What pricepoint are you looking for?
 
 Jeff
 ImageStream 
 
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 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections
 
 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
 with gear to handle this?
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Alan Long
No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
across a 20mb wireless think.


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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

Hi Alan,

Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

What are the link speeds?

How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

What pricepoint are you looking for?

Jeff
ImageStream 

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Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
with gear to handle this?

 





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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this - I've
seen minimal success with multiple WANs on MT.

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote:

 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
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 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

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 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 16:20 -0500, Alan Long wrote:
 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
 with gear to handle this?

Alan, 
I have done this type of thing with everything from Mikrotik to
ImageStream to Cisco (YUK). 

1. What type of circuits are the 2 wan connections?
2. How much overall bandwidth do you need to route (could be answered by
#1)
3. By load balance, do you mean NAT or a BGP type load balance?

Depending on the answers to the above question I can provide you with a
better answer as to which equipment is best.  There are, of course, low
grade consumer devices that can do this, but I doubt that's what you
were looking for.

-- 

* Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 17:39 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this

Not a secret script, but I have successfully done this with MT.  There
are many things that experience has taught me regarding this type of
setup.

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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Oops, missed one...do you need rack-mount?

Jeff 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
across a 20mb wireless think.


Aerowire
Alan Long
Director of Network Operations
alan.l...@aerowire.net
687 North Dean Road
Auburn, AL 36830
tel: 3342759998
mobile: 336092

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

Hi Alan,

Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

What are the link speeds?

How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

What pricepoint are you looking for?

Jeff
ImageStream 

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Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
with gear to handle this?

 





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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
RouterOS RB1000 will handle that, maybe even a 493AH :)

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Alan Long wrote:
 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience
 with gear to handle this?

  





  http://www.aerowire.net 

  

  



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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
Been doing it wrong.  I did a university with 24 DSL connections :(  
Took a while, works great. 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
 Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this - I've
 seen minimal success with multiple WANs on MT.

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote:

   
 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







  http://www.aerowire.net







 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations

 Aerowire

 
 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu
 rn%2C+AL+36830country=ushttp://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu%0Arn%2C+AL+36830country=us
 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830


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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Scott Carullo
How can you suggest a router without those excellent questions being  
answered

That is the question ;)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com  
wrote:

 Excellent questions to ask.

 I would recommend a mid range cisco router. Say the 1800 or 2800  
 series.

 Also Vyata makes some nice kit.

 Jeff Broadwick wrote:
 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and  
 support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits  
 from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any  
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







 http://www.aerowire.net







 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations

 Aerowire

 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu
 rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830


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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Doing this does not require a script and works great and is simple to  
implement with MT

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Josh Luthman  
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Unless someone knows a secret script I would avoid using MT for this  
 - I've
 seen minimal success with multiple WANs on MT.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net  
 wrote:

 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about  
 450 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and  
 support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits  
 from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







 http://www.aerowire.net







 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations

 Aerowire

 
 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu
 rn%2C+AL+36830country=ushttp://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu%0Arn%2C+AL+36830country=us
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Also assuming 120v inside office environment ;)

Lots of assumptions going on without all the question answered

DSL?
Fiber?
Routing protocols?
Dynamic ups or static?
Form factor?
Do u need to manage it yourself -ie understand the os
Mission critical?

And the list goes on

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net  
wrote:

 Oops, missed one...do you need rack-mount?

 Jeff

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 Behalf Of Alan Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:33 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about 450  
 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
 Aerowire
 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations
 alan.l...@aerowire.net
 687 North Dean Road
 Auburn, AL 36830
 tel: 3342759998
 mobile: 336092
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
 ImageStream

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 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:20 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and  
 support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits  
 from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any  
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







 http://www.aerowire.net







 Alan Long
 Director of Network Operations

 Aerowire

 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu
 rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830


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Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

2009-04-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Yes rb493 is good but better option would be rb450g fast CPU lots of  
ram and 5gb ports all for about 150

And it can do everything you could want a router to do for your  
application

Might need rb1000 if you start doing CPU intensive rules etc

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Dennis Burgess - LTI dmburg...@linktechs.net 
  wrote:

 RouterOS RB1000 will handle that, maybe even a 493AH :)

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 Alan Long wrote:
 No bgp. Link will  be 20-30mb/s circuits. We currently run about  
 450 users
 across a 20mb wireless think.

 
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 Hi Alan,

 Do you anticipate needing BGP now, or in the future?

 What are the link speeds?

 How much overall throughput will the router need to handle?

 What pricepoint are you looking for?

 Jeff
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 Subject: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections

 I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and  
 support 450
 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits  
 from
 different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any  
 experience
 with gear to handle this?







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