Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
I'm not sure many are. If a short range, why not 60 GHz? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:00:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Saf free mile is small, maybe a 6” antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.camailto:bduc...@netago.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Is the SAF that small? The only specs I see are 9 but I think that may be just the radio itself, but I am not sure. 60GHz may work, but price is also a concern. Bryce D NETAGO From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 13:17 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Saf free mile is small, maybe a 6 antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.camailto:bduc...@netago.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Once you're outside of the AF and Trango 24s, the pricing gets similar. Check Siklu. Baltic, Winncom and others carry them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:39:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Is the SAF that small? The only specs I see are 9” but I think that may be just the radio itself, but I am not sure. 60GHz may work, but price is also a concern. Bryce D NETAGO From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 13:17 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Saf free mile is small, maybe a 6” antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org ) wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
On 10/23/2014 3:00 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. It may be a problem because the FCC rules for that band are pretty strict. From 15.249: (3) Antenna gain must be at least 33 dBi. Alternatively, the main lobe beamwidth must not exceed 3.5 degrees. The beamwidth limit shall apply to both the azimuth and elevation planes. At antenna gains over 33 dBi or beamwidths narrower than 3.5 degrees, power must be reduced to ensure that the field strength does not exceed 2500 millivolts/meter. So you can't get much smaller than a foot an still stay within the 3.5 degree beamwidth, at least using oonventional dishes. (To be sure, I haven't done or seen a computation of exactly how big a dish that would be, or what alternative shapes would do, but I assume that the uniformity of 24 GHz antennas is based on that rule.) -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
That antenna does not for for unlicensed 24 ghz, unlicensed uses both polarities Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/23/14, 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.aspx? id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
24GHz Unlicensed. Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 17:18 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.a spx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Canada licensed 400 MHz from 24.250-24.450 GHz plus 25.050-25.250 GHz, so it is pretty much harmonized along the lines of the U.S., but the unlicensed 24 GHz band came along later. The result is that if Bryce wants to go with unlicensed, he does not need dual polarity here, but he does need at least 33 dBi antenna gain. He has told me since that he wants to use unlicensed, so now we are looking at a different situation, because you cannot even get the valueline antenna in the lower 24 GHz. Daniel Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net wrote .. On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details.aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
There is an 8in antenna option... also note the question comes from Canada and not the USA. SAF certainly offers it... and it meets the gain and beamwidth requirements below (3.3 degree beamwidth, and 33dBi gain antenna). [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.comapplewebdata://BB026C49-6C28-4CBB-9885-D4B87260AB34/www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:04 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio On 10/23/2014 3:00 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. It may be a problem because the FCC rules for that band are pretty strict. From 15.249: (3) Antenna gain must be at least 33 dBi. Alternatively, the main lobe beamwidth must not exceed 3.5 degrees. The beamwidth limit shall apply to both the azimuth and elevation planes. At antenna gains over 33 dBi or beamwidths narrower than 3.5 degrees, power must be reduced to ensure that the field strength does not exceed 2500 millivolts/meter. So you can't get much smaller than a foot an still stay within the 3.5 degree beamwidth, at least using oonventional dishes. (To be sure, I haven't done or seen a computation of exactly how big a dish that would be, or what alternative shapes would do, but I assume that the uniformity of 24 GHz antennas is based on that rule.) -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Andrew does not make 24GHz unlicensed antennas. Market is too small I guess. SAF uses Tongyu and Arkivator for this band. Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Canada licensed 400 MHz from 24.250-24.450 GHz plus 25.050-25.250 GHz, so it is pretty much harmonized along the lines of the U.S., but the unlicensed 24 GHz band came along later. The result is that if Bryce wants to go with unlicensed, he does not need dual polarity here, but he does need at least 33 dBi antenna gain. He has told me since that he wants to use unlicensed, so now we are looking at a different situation, because you cannot even get the valueline antenna in the lower 24 GHz. Daniel Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net wrote .. On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details .aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Commscope - the parent company - has a focus on carrier and system sales, so the unlicensed gear is not really interesting for them at this point, and thus, no product in the lower 24 GHz band. Daniel Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote .. Andrew does not make 24GHz unlicensed antennas. Market is too small I guess. SAF uses Tongyu and Arkivator for this band. Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Canada licensed 400 MHz from 24.250-24.450 GHz plus 25.050-25.250 GHz, so it is pretty much harmonized along the lines of the U.S., but the unlicensed 24 GHz band came along later. The result is that if Bryce wants to go with unlicensed, he does not need dual polarity here, but he does need at least 33 dBi antenna gain. He has told me since that he wants to use unlicensed, so now we are looking at a different situation, because you cannot even get the valueline antenna in the lower 24 GHz. Daniel Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net wrote .. On 10/23/2014 6:36 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Sure - http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/2147485870/product_details .aspx?id=27271 I will sell it to you with a radio attached too! ;-) That's for the licensed 24.25-26.5 GHz band. Was the original poster referring to the unlicensed or licensed band? Different rules -- the smaller antenna has only 32 dB gain. Daniel Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Do you have a link? Bryce D NETAGO -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 16:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Bryce, I thought you wanted a 38 GHz unit - the 24 GHz antenna would be a -26 model, and you could pair it up with a Canopy radio or anything else of course. Daniel wi...@metrocom.ca wrote .. Hi Bryce, Of course - there is an 8 antenna - 20 cm for us in Canada - that will do the job. I do not know if it is an ETSI Class 4 antenna, which everyone should use if they can, but the Andrew VHLP200-38 is small enough. Keep in mind it would not be a dual-polarized antenna at that size. Daniel Mullen Bryce Duchcherer bduc...@netago.ca wrote .. Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1'? It doesn't have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
So who does the guy call to get what he's after? :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 24, 2014 12:04 AM, Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com wrote: There is an 8in antenna option… also note the question comes from Canada and not the USA. SAF certainly offers it… and it meets the gain and beamwidth requirements below (3.3 degree beamwidth, and 33dBi gain antenna). [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* *daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com * *SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video –* *http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg* *Spectrum Compact Introduction Video – **http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k* [image: cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [image: cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [image: cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [image: cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Fred Goldstein *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:04 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio On 10/23/2014 3:00 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. It may be a problem because the FCC rules for that band are pretty strict. From 15.249: (3) Antenna gain must be at least 33 dBi. Alternatively, the main lobe beamwidth must not exceed 3.5 degrees. The beamwidth limit shall apply to both the azimuth and elevation planes. At antenna gains over 33 dBi or beamwidths narrower than 3.5 degrees, power must be reduced to ensure that the field strength does not exceed 2500 millivolts/meter. So you can't get much smaller than a foot an still stay within the 3.5 degree beamwidth, at least using oonventional dishes. (To be sure, I haven't done or seen a computation of exactly how big a dish that would be, or what alternative shapes would do, but I assume that the uniformity of 24 GHz antennas is based on that rule.) -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
