Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks guys, This info was what I was looking for, and it substantiates what I believe. I need to take this info to my investors, so they understand what we are up against.
Ron wallace-Original Message-From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 04:54 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subjectSystems work differently when operating under licensed vs. unlicensed bandsThat said, no amount of "fancing beamforming" or signal processing or evencomplex QAM modulation will bust through that -70ish noise floor-Charles---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of George RogatoSent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:45 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subjectHi RonI don't know much except what has come across these list since the stuff came out.I seem to recall a couple of wisps saying they've installed them and being successful. I don't recall that they were very fast at all.Some of the municipalities have deployed them, I think maybe Portland Oregon and Seattle Washington have them.And I think it was relatively expensive, Think I heard like 30-60k or more per pop. Big wind loaded multiple panel antennas of size and expensive omni'sGeorgeRon Wallace wrote: George,  What do you know about them?  -Original Message- From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)  Ron Wallace wrote:  To All,   Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims?  sounds  too good to be true.   Ron Wallace   I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's been out awhile now.  I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer. They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system. Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN PLANS.  George   -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org  Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/  -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-04 Thread Brian Webster
Took the words right out of my mouth, great receiver specs do nothing in
high noise environments. The idea of indoor CPE devices is also a myth for
real world WISP deployments. How many times have you had to move around in a
building with a cell phone to get better coverage. Indoor CPE is the same
but most people won't understand that and won't want to move their computer.
Higher power is not the answer because you still need the balanced path in
both directions, the FCC will not let you put high power radios at the CPE
end when it is sitting right next to the users body.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:55 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject


Systems work differently when operating under licensed vs. unlicensed bands

That said, no amount of fancing beamforming or signal processing or even
complex QAM modulation will bust through that -70ish noise floor

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:45 PM
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Hi Ron
I don't know much except what has come across these list since the stuff
came out.
I seem to recall a couple of wisps saying they've installed them and
being successful. I don't recall that they were very fast at all.

Some of the municipalities have deployed them, I think maybe Portland
Oregon and Seattle Washington have them.

And I think it was relatively expensive, Think I heard like 30-60k or
more per pop. Big wind loaded multiple panel antennas of size and
expensive omni's

George

Ron Wallace wrote:
 George,

 What do you know about them?

  -Original Message-
  From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)
  
  Ron Wallace wrote:
   To All,
  
   Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims?
 sounds   too good to be true.  
   Ron Wallace
  
  
  I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's
  been out awhile now.
  
  I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary
  products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to
  overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer.
  They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system.
  Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN
  PLANS.
  
  George
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-03 Thread Ron Wallace
George,
What do you know about them?-Original Message-From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)Ron Wallace wrote: To All,  Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds  too good to be true.  Ron Wallace I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's been out awhile now.I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer.They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system.Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN PLANS.George-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-03 Thread George Rogato

Hi Ron
I don't know much except what has come across these list since the stuff 
came out.
I seem to recall a couple of wisps saying they've installed them and 
being successful. I don't recall that they were very fast at all.


Some of the municipalities have deployed them, I think maybe Portland 
Oregon and Seattle Washington have them.


And I think it was relatively expensive, Think I heard like 30-60k or 
more per pop. Big wind loaded multiple panel antennas of size and 
expensive omni's


George

Ron Wallace wrote:

George,

What do you know about them?

 -Original Message-
 From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)
 
 Ron Wallace wrote:
  To All,
 
  Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds
  too good to be true.
 
  Ron Wallace
 
 
 I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's
 been out awhile now.
 
 I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary
 products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to
 overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer.
 They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system.
 Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN
 PLANS.
 
 George
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject

2006-05-03 Thread George Rogato
I did just send an inquiy in for their new unlicensed wimax product due 
out Q4 last year.


George

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