Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
True, to be fair, there are Munis doing private Wireless, public wireless and both. Most Munis see the benefit of doing it private, although some are still politically tempted to do the public or public-private mix to make them some campaign points. When we work with cities and they say they want to do public, we tell them it is a bad idea and give them reasons why. John -Original Message- From: Dawn DiPietro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 05:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi Marlon, You cannot lump all municipal networks together which you do on a regular basis. According to a recent study only about 50% of muni networks provide access to the public. In the same report it mentions that there are less and less municipalities taking on this responsibility and outsourcing it to companies that do this work day in and day out. So yes this article is accurate but not for the reasons you may think.Of course I could be wrong about what you are thinking. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
Marlon, You cannot lump all municipal networks together which you do on a regular basis. According to a recent study only about 50% of muni networks provide access to the public. In the same report it mentions that there are less and less municipalities taking on this responsibility and outsourcing it to companies that do this work day in and day out. So yes this article is accurate but not for the reasons you may think.Of course I could be wrong about what you are thinking. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
Yeah, we all tend to do that from time to time eh? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
the news and nothing but the news. People are finding out that they've been spoon fed news that supports or disputes points of view that they do or don't like. We want reality in our news, not someone else's twisted view of it. For every bad article I've seen about muni networks I've had to endure 100 that are clearly just press releases tweaked to look like a news article. The press today seems, mostly, to be lazier than hell. They don't research much anymore. Heck, I've talked to many reporters over the years in this business. I'm amazed at how often they write articles that miss reality even though I tried to take as much time as is needed to help them understand what reality is. They seem to go into the article knowing what they want to say, not with a goal of learning something new and passing it along to the rest of us. Frustrates the hell out of me! What's all of this got to do with anything? I guess that depends on which side of the fence on is on. I don't have a problem with the EL/SF muni buildout. I DO have a problem with calling it a muni network. It's not. It's a PRIVATE network that covers SF. I've been fortunate enough to talk to some of the folks that are doing a lot of work for big companies that are putting in some of these big multi million dollar mesh networks. I'm impressed by how far the technology has come. The flexibility of the networks. The management systems. The p to p to mp to mesh layout makes a lot of sense. Really, most of these new mesh systems aren't really mesh at all. They are the same ol' ideas that the rest of us have been building for years with what amounts to spanning tree switches and multiple backhaul systems. Oh yeah, and some really cool network monitoring systems put in place. All at only 2x what the rest of us build almost the exact same thing for day after day. grin I'm going to predict, again, that most of these networks will be shut down or barely usable in less than 5 years. Certainly in 10. Elected officials are just not going to be able to tolerate the constant influx of funds that will be needed to keep them online. It's not worked worth a hoot with food. Or housing (now we call government funding the projects, or the slums). Do you really want your internet run by the same nice folks that brought you the projects? Not me, no sirry. Just follow the money and publicity trail folks. Forget the CONTENT look at who looks good and who is making money. Power and control. Keep your eyes open for the product that Butch and I are creating. I've begged for it for years, Butch is the guy that's finally been able to program it. We'll build your public safety network for you Mr. Mayor. Cost? How's a ONE employee and a few hundred $ per vehicle sound to you? How about if we can bring most of that network online in a few days? You guys know me. I'd not claim it if I couldn't do it. Final testing and fine tuning will happen in the next few days. Then it'll go out to law enforcement for field testing for a couple of weeks. If this test works out well, we'll be ready to find a way to go into production in weeks not years. Y'all have a great day! I have to take care of a sick kid for a while then I have a couple of installs to do. I don't know about the rest of you but we've taken a HUGE spike in new business in the last month. I'm averaging per week what I averaged per month last year! This growth is killing my cashflow! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi Marlon, You cannot lump all municipal networks together which you do on a regular basis. According to a recent study only about 50% of muni networks provide access to the public. In the same report it mentions that there are less and less municipalities taking on this responsibility and outsourcing it to companies that do this work day in and day out. So yes this article is accurate but not for the reasons you may think.Of course I could be wrong about what you are thinking. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
I wish I could do that! I always hear what I dont want to ;) On 1/26/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we all tend to do that from time to time eh? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi Marlon, You want to know what else is funny? How you just pick and choose what you want to hear. Regards, Dawn Marlon K. Schafer wrote: MessageFunny how so few press outlets will ever talk about anything at all negative about muni networks. This is clearly biased, but it's still a breath of fresh air to me! marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi FYI http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/10/municipal_wi-fi_survey/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
