Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-13 Thread George
Not sure what a Canopy 900 su looks like but a Trango 900 SU needs 
something to to adapt up to a N connector and the Yagis I use don't have 
any cable attached to them.


George


G.Villarini wrote:

Huh?

They are included ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

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Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.

George



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RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-13 Thread G.Villarini
Canopy 900 have a n male connector on a 12 inch pigtail ... wepeee!!!

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Not sure what a Canopy 900 su looks like but a Trango 900 SU needs 
something to to adapt up to a N connector and the Yagis I use don't have 
any cable attached to them.

George


G.Villarini wrote:
 Huh?
 
 They are included ...
 
 Gino A. Villarini, 
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 Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.
 
 George
 

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Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Well hell Gino Where are you buying?  i want a piece of that too.

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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:23:49 -0700
From: A. Huppenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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great prices!

G.Villarini wrote:

$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis 
for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80

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we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a 
press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too 
challanging 
even for 900 mhz.

$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 
for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They 
are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the 
same 
gain, but that's obvious.

Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio 
tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, 
supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is 
supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but 
at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at
a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, 
online, 
no crap-outs...

Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for 
me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  

I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some roll your own.

A. Huppenthal wrote:



I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
want to research on behalf of the list.

google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.

I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  

432631 Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-50



  

$26,250 



Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and 
it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
avoid at all costs.

The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double 
radius.  
HOLY CRAP!

Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:



I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying 
club' - 
I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your
ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying 
power 
and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the 
price.

Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher 
than 
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust 
activity 
of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware
is 
a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other 
WISPs 
at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it
at 
ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry 
really 
needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run 
a 
WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
(FCC and others through a louder voice).


I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some 
and 
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)

Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.

Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



432679900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
427612900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
498606900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
9000APC   $1,855 
487642900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
antenna)  9001APC $2,355 
432631Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-50
  


  

$26,250 
452650Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-100  $47,500 
459676Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-500  $222,500 
460660Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized
BP9000SMC-50  $24,250 
467696Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-100 $43,500
483635Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules 
Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-500 $202,500 
433674900 Mhz

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





  

  432631 
  Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-50 
  $26,250

  



Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid
at all costs.

The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.
HOLY CRAP!

Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:

  
  
I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'.
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm
all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked
by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get
what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. 
  
Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of
our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part
of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my
business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the
*first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as
well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull
together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better
pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others
through a louder voice). 
  
  
I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)
  
Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy
500 and get them at $444 instead.
  
Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.
  
  
  
  

  
432679 
900 Mhz Access
Point  
9000AP 
$1,895
  
  
427612 
900 Mhz Access
Point
AES 
9001AP
$2,395
  
  
498606 
900 Mhz Access
Point
Connectorized (External antenna) 
9000APC 
$1,855 
  
  
487642 
900 Mhz Access
Point
AES Connectorized (External antenna) 
9001APC 
$2,355 
  
  
432631 
Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-50

$26,250 
  
  
452650 
Bulk Pack 100 900
MHz Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-100

$47,500 
  
  
459676 
Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-500  
$222,500 
  
  
460660 
Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-50 
$24,250 
  
  
467696
Bulk Pack 100 900
MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized
BP9000SMC-100
$43,500
  
  
483635 
Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-500 
$202,500 
  
  
433674 
900 Mhz Subscriber Module

9000SM 
$725 
  
  
430697 
900 Mhz Subscriber ModuleAES
9001SM 
$975 
  
  
499667
900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External
antenna) 
9000SMC 
$685
  
  
472614
900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized
(External antenna)
9001SMC
$935
  
  
435698
900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna

AN900

$100
  
  
446693
Bulk Pack 50: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna

BPAN900-50

$4,500
  
  
413627
Bulk Pack 100: 900
Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
BPAN900-100
$8,000
  
  
483655
900MHz Demo Kit -
Connectorized
TK10010
$3,000
  
  
495685

900MHz Access Point
Cluster Kit - Connectorized 
TK10028
$30,000 
  

  
  
Peter R. wrote:
  Brian
Rohrbacher wrote: 

Would he give WISPA a good rate? Anyone
interested could get quotes and maybe he could cut us a break? I want
this trade association to get some members services so people have a
reason to join. With added services comes members and money. With
members and money comes "pull" at the FCC level. Then we get good
stuff from the FCC and WISPs rule the world. *Right Brain* Lets do
what we can to get more Principal Members. 
  
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 


You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up
eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being
a volume club. 

Regards, 

Peter 
4isps.com 
  
  

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Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread A. Huppenthal




I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I want
to research on behalf of the list. 

google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it. 

I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  

  
432631 
Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-50

$26,250
  

  
  
  
Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k
  
Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid
at all costs.
  
The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.
HOLY CRAP!
  
Unless I am reading something wrong...
  
  http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f
  
  
  
A. Huppenthal wrote:
  


I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'.
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm
all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked
by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get
what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. 

Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of
our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part
of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my
business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the
*first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as
well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull
together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better
pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others
through a louder voice). 


I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)

Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy
500 and get them at $444 instead.

Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.




  

  432679 
  900 Mhz Access
Point  
  9000AP 
  $1,895


  427612 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
AES 
  9001AP
  $2,395


  498606 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
Connectorized (External antenna) 
  9000APC 
  $1,855 


  487642 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
AES Connectorized (External antenna) 
  9001APC 
  $2,355 


  432631 
  Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-50
  
  $26,250 


  452650 
  Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-100
  
  $47,500 


  459676 
  Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules  
  BP9000SM-500  
  $222,500 


  460660 
  Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
  BP9000SMC-50 
  $24,250 


  467696
  Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized
  BP9000SMC-100
  $43,500


  483635 
  Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
  BP9000SMC-500 
  $202,500 


  433674 
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module
  
  9000SM 
  $725 


  430697 
  900 Mhz Subscriber ModuleAES
  9001SM 
  $975 


  499667
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External
antenna) 
  9000SMC 
  $685


  472614
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized
(External antenna)
  9001SMC
  $935


  435698
  900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  
  AN900
  
  $100


  446693
  Bulk Pack 50: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  
  BPAN900-50
  
  $4,500


  413627
  Bulk Pack 100:
900
Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  BPAN900-100
  $8,000


  483655
  900MHz Demo Kit -
Connectorized
  TK10010
  $3,000


  495685
  
  900MHz Access
Point
Cluster Kit - Connectorized 
  TK10028
  $30,000 

  


Peter R. wrote:
Brian
Rohrbacher wrote: 
  
  Would he give WISPA a good rate? Anyone
interested could get quotes and maybe he could cut us a break? I want
this trade association to get some members services so people have a
reason to join. With added services comes members and money. With

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread A. Huppenthal




check if you are comparing apples to apples. 900 Mhz units are much
more expensive. 

Have fun, whatever you decide.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
  

  
432631 
Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-50

$26,250
  

  
  
  
Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k
  
Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid
at all costs.
  
The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.
HOLY CRAP!
  
Unless I am reading something wrong...
  
  http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f
  
  
  
A. Huppenthal wrote:
  


I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'.
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm
all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked
by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get
what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. 

Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of
our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part
of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my
business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the
*first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as
well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull
together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better
pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others
through a louder voice). 


I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)

Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy
500 and get them at $444 instead.

Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.




  

  432679 
  900 Mhz Access
Point  
  9000AP 
  $1,895


  427612 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
AES 
  9001AP
  $2,395


  498606 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
Connectorized (External antenna) 
  9000APC 
  $1,855 


  487642 
  900 Mhz Access
Point
AES Connectorized (External antenna) 
  9001APC 
  $2,355 


  432631 
  Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-50
  
  $26,250 


  452650 
  Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-100
  
  $47,500 


  459676 
  Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules  
  BP9000SM-500  
  $222,500 


  460660 
  Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
  BP9000SMC-50 
  $24,250 


  467696
  Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized
  BP9000SMC-100
  $43,500


  483635 
  Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
  BP9000SMC-500 
  $202,500 


  433674 
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module
  
  9000SM 
  $725 


  430697 
  900 Mhz Subscriber ModuleAES
  9001SM 
  $975 


  499667
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External
antenna) 
  9000SMC 
  $685


  472614
  900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized
(External antenna)
  9001SMC
  $935


  435698
  900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  
  AN900
  
  $100


  446693
  Bulk Pack 50: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  
  BPAN900-50
  
  $4,500


  413627
  Bulk Pack 100:
900
Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
  BPAN900-100
  $8,000


  483655
  900MHz Demo Kit -
Connectorized
  TK10010
  $3,000


  495685
  
  900MHz Access
Point
Cluster Kit - Connectorized 
  TK10028
  $30,000 

  


Peter R. wrote:
Brian
Rohrbacher wrote: 
  
  Would he give WISPA a good rate? Anyone
interested could get quotes and maybe he could cut us a break? I want
this trade association to get some members services so people have a
reason to join. With added services comes members and money. With
members and money comes "pull" at the FCC level. Then we get good
stuff from the FCC and WISPs rule the world. *Right Brain* Lets do
what we can to get more 

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Yes, I believe I was looking at all 900 products.

If a 100 pack is 295, a 500 pack (buying group) might just be
affordable for ma and pa WISP.

A. Huppenthal wrote:

  
check if you are comparing apples to apples. 900 Mhz units are much
more expensive. 
  
Have fun, whatever you decide.
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  


  

  432631 
  Bulk Pack 50 900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
  BP9000SM-50
  
  $26,250

  



Double Radius has 25 pack for : $8,500.00 double to 50 pack and it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can avoid
at all costs.

The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.
HOLY CRAP!

Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:

  
  
I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'.
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - I'm
all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your ass kicked
by the telco and cable company - they have buying power and can get
what you want and buy in 10s and 20s for 1/2 the price. 
  
Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity of
our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is a part
of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained in my
business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs at the
*first* WISPA meeting. In fact, I'd likely talk about it at ISPCON as
well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really needs to pull
together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a WISP), better
pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules (FCC and others
through a louder voice). 
  
  
I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)
  
Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. Buy
500 and get them at $444 instead.
  
Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.
  
  
  
  

  
432679 
900 Mhz Access
Point  
9000AP 
$1,895
  
  
427612 
900 Mhz Access
Point
AES 
9001AP
$2,395
  
  
498606 
900 Mhz Access
Point
Connectorized (External antenna) 
9000APC

$1,855 
  
  
487642 
900 Mhz Access
Point
AES Connectorized (External antenna) 
9001APC

$2,355 
  
  
432631 
Bulk Pack 50
900
MHz
Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-50

$26,250

  
  
452650 
Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules 
BP9000SM-100

$47,500

  
  
459676 
Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz
Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-500  
$222,500 
  
  
460660 
Bulk Pack 50 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-50 
$24,250 
  
  
467696
Bulk Pack 100
900
MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized
BP9000SMC-100
$43,500
  
  
483635 
Bulk Pack 500 900 MHz Subscriber Modules
Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-500 
$202,500 
  
  
433674 
900 Mhz Subscriber Module

9000SM 
$725 
  
  
430697 
900 Mhz Subscriber ModuleAES
9001SM 
$975 
  
  
499667
900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External
antenna) 
9000SMC 
$685
  
  
472614
900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized
(External antenna)
9001SMC
$935
  
  
435698
900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna

AN900

$100
  
  
446693
Bulk Pack 50: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna

BPAN900-50

$4,500
  
  
413627
Bulk Pack 100:
900
Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna
BPAN900-100
$8,000
  
  
483655
900MHz Demo Kit
-
Connectorized
TK10010
$3,000
  
  
495685

900MHz Access
Point
Cluster Kit - 

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread A. Huppenthal
we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
even for 900 mhz.


$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
gain, but that's obvious.


Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
no crap-outs...


Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some roll your own.


A. Huppenthal wrote:

I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
want to research on behalf of the list.


google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.

I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

432631  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  	BP9000SM-50  
$26,250 




Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
avoid at all costs.


The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
HOLY CRAP!


Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:

I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.


Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
(FCC and others through a louder voice).



I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and 
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)


Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.


Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



432679  900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
427612  900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
498606  	900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
9000APC  	$1,855 
487642  	900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9001APC  	$2,355 
432631  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  	BP9000SM-50  
$26,250 
452650  	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-100  	$47,500 
459676  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-500   	$222,500 
460660  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-50  	$24,250 
467696 	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-100 	$43,500
483635  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-500  	$202,500 
433674  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module  	9000SM  	$725 
430697  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES 	9001SM  	$975 
499667 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9000SMC  	$685
472614 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized (External 
antenna) 	9001SMC 	$935

435698  900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna 

AN900

$100
446693  Bulk Pack 50: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna   

BPAN900-50

$4,500
413627 	Bulk Pack 100: 900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna 
BPAN900-100 	$8,000

483655  900MHz Demo Kit - Connectorized TK10010 $3,000
495685  	900MHz Access Point Cluster Kit - Connectorized 	TK10028 
$30,000 



Peter R. wrote:


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Would he give WISPA a good rate?  Anyone interested could get 
quotes and maybe he could cut us a break?  I want this trade 
association to get some members services so people 

RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread G.Villarini
$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
even for 900 mhz.

$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
gain, but that's obvious.

Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
no crap-outs...

Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
 is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some roll your own.

 A. Huppenthal wrote:

 I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
 want to research on behalf of the list.

 google:
 motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

 I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.

 I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 432631  Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50

 $26,250 



 Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k

 Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
 avoid at all costs.

 The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
 HOLY CRAP!

 Unless I am reading something wrong...

 http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



 A. Huppenthal wrote:

 I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
 However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
 I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
 ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
 and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.

 Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
 Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
 of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
 a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
 in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
 at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
 ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
 needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
 WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
 (FCC and others through a louder voice).


 I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and 
 figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)

 Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
 Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.

 Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



 432679 900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
 427612 900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
 498606 900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
 9000APC$1,855 
 487642 900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
 antenna)   9001APC $2,355 
 432631 Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50

 $26,250 
 452650 Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
 BP9000SM-100   $47,500 
 459676 Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
 BP9000SM-500   $222,500 
 460660 Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
 BP9000SMC-50   $24,250 
 467696 Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
 BP9000SMC-100  $43,500
 483635 Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
 BP9000SMC-500  $202,500 
 433674 900 Mhz Subscriber Module   9000SM  $725 
 430697 900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES   9001SM  $975 
 499667 900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External 
 antenna)   9000SMC $685
 472614 900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized (External 
 antenna)   9001SMC $935
 435698 900 Mhz 60

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread A. Huppenthal

great prices!

G.Villarini wrote:


$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
even for 900 mhz.


$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
gain, but that's obvious.


Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
no crap-outs...


Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 

I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some roll your own.


A. Huppenthal wrote:

   

I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
want to research on behalf of the list.


google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.

I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 


432631  Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50
   



 

$26,250 




Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
avoid at all costs.


The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
HOLY CRAP!


Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:

   

I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.


Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
(FCC and others through a louder voice).



I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and 
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)


Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.


Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



432679  900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
427612  900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
498606  	900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
9000APC  	$1,855 
487642  	900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9001APC  	$2,355 
432631  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  	BP9000SM-50
 



 

$26,250 
452650  	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-100  	$47,500 
459676  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-500   	$222,500 
460660  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-50  	$24,250 
467696 	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-100 	$43,500
483635  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-500  	$202,500 
433674  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module  	9000SM  	$725 
430697  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES 	9001SM  	$975 
499667 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9000SMC  	$685
472614 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized (External 
antenna) 	9001SMC 	$935

435698  900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna 

AN900

Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

2005-12-12 Thread George

Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.

George

G.Villarini wrote:

$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
even for 900 mhz.


$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
gain, but that's obvious.


Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
no crap-outs...


Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some roll your own.


A. Huppenthal wrote:


I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
want to research on behalf of the list.


google:
motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.

I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.

I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:



432631  Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50



$26,250 




Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k

Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
avoid at all costs.


The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
HOLY CRAP!


Unless I am reading something wrong...

http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f



A. Huppenthal wrote:


I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.


Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
(FCC and others through a louder voice).



I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and 
figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)


Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.


Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



432679  900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
427612  900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
498606  	900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
9000APC  	$1,855 
487642  	900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9001APC  	$2,355 
432631  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  	BP9000SM-50



$26,250 
452650  	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
BP9000SM-100  	$47,500 
459676  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
BP9000SM-500   	$222,500 
460660  	Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-50  	$24,250 
467696 	Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
BP9000SMC-100 	$43,500
483635  	Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
BP9000SMC-500  	$202,500 
433674  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module  	9000SM  	$725 
430697  	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES 	9001SM  	$975 
499667 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module Connectorized (External 
antenna)  	9000SMC  	$685
472614 	900 Mhz Subscriber Module AES Connectorized (External 
antenna) 	9001SMC 	$935

435698  900 Mhz 60 degree 9 dBi antenna 

AN900

$100