Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Jason
This happens to me every so often; usually just 3 or 4 emails at a 
time.  This was just a bigger jolt of it.


Jason

David E. Smith wrote:

John Scrivner wrote:
  

It is not a clock issue. All the messages that were sent with old dates
were already delivered previously. These are duplicate messages.



Hm. Hmmm

(digs around through mail server logs)

Well, the old posts from three weeks ago and the new posts from today
have different Message-IDs, so at least it ain't my fault. :)

David Smith
Semi-Unofficial WISPA Web Tinker
MVN.net
  

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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Michael Watson

Lets do the Time Warp Again!

Its just a jump to the left

-Michael


Gino A. Villarini wrote:

I ogt them too...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Comroe
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

My appologies to the list.

I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, but 
my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old threads as if


they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread looks familiar ... and

only after sending a reply to one of them did I notice Patrick had penned 
that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is that I'd completely failed to 
notice that the 30 or so old emails were almost all old posts from Patrick 
that were several weeks old, with a couple from Brad that were about a week 
old.  Don't know if the server hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that 
ressurected old mail or whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. 
Has this ever happened to anyone else?


With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This is 
HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.


Rich

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


  


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RE: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-14 Thread Dustin Jurman
Unfortunately I know that song.

Dustin 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Watson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

Lets do the Time Warp Again!

Its just a jump to the left

-Michael


Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 I ogt them too...

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Rich Comroe
 Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

 My appologies to the list.

 I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, but

 my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old threads as
if

 they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread looks familiar ...
and

 only after sending a reply to one of them did I notice Patrick had penned 
 that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is that I'd completely failed to 
 notice that the 30 or so old emails were almost all old posts from Patrick

 that were several weeks old, with a couple from Brad that were about a
week 
 old.  Don't know if the server hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that

 ressurected old mail or whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. 
 Has this ever happened to anyone else?

 With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This is 
 HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.

 Rich

 - Original Message - 
 From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


   

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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-13 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Might not be you, others commented about the Patricks late emails.


Rich Comroe wrote:


My appologies to the list.

I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, 
but my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old 
threads as if they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread 
looks familiar ... and only after sending a reply to one of them did I 
notice Patrick had penned that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is 
that I'd completely failed to notice that the 30 or so old emails were 
almost all old posts from Patrick that were several weeks old, with a 
couple from Brad that were about a week old.  Don't know if the server 
hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that ressurected old mail or 
whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. Has this ever 
happened to anyone else?


With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This 
is HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.


Rich

- Original Message - From: Rich Comroe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment



Nah.  What Charles misses in his commentary

But all the fancy schmancy technology you implement won't do @#$@ 
unless

3650 is licensed b/c interference from 20 other systems in the area
(including several from our GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends) eats 
you for

breakfast, lunch  dinner =(



is that a band doesn't need to be licensed to insure that a 
technology is only competing with like technology.  All the FCC 
would have to do to make Charles presumption all wet is to only type 
accept 3650 products compliant to a common spec.  Unless I'm 
mistaken, there aren't any GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends in the 
3650 band.  As long as the rules only type accept a common 
interference avoidance spec (or a contention spec as many call it), 
then unlicensed systems in the same band play nice.


Rich

- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


You make the mistake of assuming that I am talking about an 
unlicensed 3.65
product Charles. We would not likely build a UL version of all that. 
I am in
complete agreement with you on 3.650 in terms of the end reality and 
utility

of the band in a licensed versus unlicensed allocation. That is why I
support essentially splitting the band.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:46 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment

Hi Patrick,

But all the fancy schmancy technology you implement won't do @#$@ 
unless

3650 is licensed b/c interference from 20 other systems in the area
(including several from our GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends) eats 
you for

breakfast, lunch  dinner =(

-Charles

---
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Technology Architects
http://www.cwlab.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


A. More power Tom. B. Much more sophistication in the equipment 
yielding

much higher spectral efficiency and system gain.

Frequency plays a major role, but you need to understand that other 
factors
are of almost similar levels of importance. For example, our 802.16e 
version
of WiMAX uses SOFDMA with beam forming and 4th order diversity at 
the base
station and MIMO with 6 antennae embedded in the self-install CPE 
with a SIM
card. Couple that with higher power available in a licensed 
allocation and

you get zero truck roll self-install CPE with no external antenna.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


3.5Ghz does,



I find that hard to believe.  2.4Ghz couldn't do it, which is why we 
rely on


900Mhz.

What makes 3.5Ghz appropriate for the task?

With 3650 from what I understood, is only supposed to be allowed for 
PtP or
mobile service only (not indoor) based on the high power levels 
allowed.


Not sure whats at the other 3.5G ranges in US.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - From: jeffrey thomas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment



The benchmark is the ability to provide NLOS, portable or fixed
service to at least a 2 mile radius per cell, indoors.

5.8 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance indoors

5.4 

RE: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-13 Thread Gino A. Villarini
I ogt them too...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Comroe
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

My appologies to the list.

I'd added a couple cents to a thread that had ended weeks ago.  Wierd, but 
my email client just pulled about 30 emails today on these old threads as if

they were new.  I'm reading along ... and this thread looks familiar ... and

only after sending a reply to one of them did I notice Patrick had penned 
that mail back on May 26th.  Wierder yet is that I'd completely failed to 
notice that the 30 or so old emails were almost all old posts from Patrick 
that were several weeks old, with a couple from Brad that were about a week 
old.  Don't know if the server hosting my mailbox did a drive restore that 
ressurected old mail or whether anyone else got a copies of old mail too. 
Has this ever happened to anyone else?

With dozens of email arrivals on the thread 3650 equipment and This is 
HUGE! I thought that these topics had reborn again!  :-)  My mistake.

Rich

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


 Nah.  What Charles misses in his commentary

 But all the fancy schmancy technology you implement won't do @#$@ 
 unless
 3650 is licensed b/c interference from 20 other systems in the area
 (including several from our GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends) eats you for
 breakfast, lunch  dinner =(

 is that a band doesn't need to be licensed to insure that a technology is 
 only competing with like technology.  All the FCC would have to do to 
 make Charles presumption all wet is to only type accept 3650 products 
 compliant to a common spec.  Unless I'm mistaken, there aren't any 
 GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends in the 3650 band.  As long as the rules 
 only type accept a common interference avoidance spec (or a contention 
 spec as many call it), then unlicensed systems in the same band play nice.

 Rich

 - Original Message - 
 From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:29 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


 You make the mistake of assuming that I am talking about an unlicensed 
 3.65
 product Charles. We would not likely build a UL version of all that. I am

 in
 complete agreement with you on 3.650 in terms of the end reality and 
 utility
 of the band in a licensed versus unlicensed allocation. That is why I
 support essentially splitting the band.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP Marketing
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243

 -Original Message-
 From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:46 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment

 Hi Patrick,

 But all the fancy schmancy technology you implement won't do @#$@ 
 unless
 3650 is licensed b/c interference from 20 other systems in the area
 (including several from our GPS-synced FM-based FSK friends) eats you for
 breakfast, lunch  dinner =(

 -Charles

 ---
 CWLab
 Technology Architects
 http://www.cwlab.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:41 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


 A. More power Tom. B. Much more sophistication in the equipment yielding
 much higher spectral efficiency and system gain.

 Frequency plays a major role, but you need to understand that other 
 factors
 are of almost similar levels of importance. For example, our 802.16e 
 version
 of WiMAX uses SOFDMA with beam forming and 4th order diversity at the 
 base
 station and MIMO with 6 antennae embedded in the self-install CPE with a 
 SIM
 card. Couple that with higher power available in a licensed allocation 
 and
 you get zero truck roll self-install CPE with no external antenna.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP Marketing
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243
 -Original Message-
 From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:23 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment

 3.5Ghz does,

 I find that hard to believe.  2.4Ghz couldn't do it, which is why we rely

 on

 900Mhz.

 What makes 3.5Ghz appropriate for the task?

 With 3650 from what I understood, is only supposed to be allowed for PtP 
 or
 mobile service only (not indoor) based on the high power levels allowed.

 Not sure whats at the other 3.5G ranges in US.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL 

Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-13 Thread David E. Smith
Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 I ogt them too...

I peeked at the headers (sorry, that's my schtick) and while the Date:
header said three weeks ago, they were only sent today. I'm guessing
Patrick just has a computer with a really squirrely clock.

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-13 Thread John Scrivner
It is not a clock issue. All the messages that were sent with old dates 
were already delivered previously. These are duplicate messages.

Scriv


David E. Smith wrote:


Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 


I ogt them too...
   



I peeked at the headers (sorry, that's my schtick) and while the Date:
header said three weeks ago, they were only sent today. I'm guessing
Patrick just has a computer with a really squirrely clock.

David Smith
MVN.net
 


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Re: Wierd ... was [WISPA] 3650 equipment

2006-06-13 Thread David E. Smith
John Scrivner wrote:
 It is not a clock issue. All the messages that were sent with old dates
 were already delivered previously. These are duplicate messages.

Hm. Hmmm

(digs around through mail server logs)

Well, the old posts from three weeks ago and the new posts from today
have different Message-IDs, so at least it ain't my fault. :)

David Smith
Semi-Unofficial WISPA Web Tinker
MVN.net
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