Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version
I was fairly sure that if you set ARPSIZE it sets the EstimatedSize property that Raymond talks about at http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/07/09/178342.aspx, and therefore ARP doesn't need to guess at the right thing to look at to check the size. Since Windows Installer knows everything that you installed, you would have thought it would set this information itself. (Another piece of the documentation, indexed under 'Uninstall Registry Key', states that it does, which leads to the question, what is ARPSIZE for?) When you set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT you're telling Windows Installer, 'this is a system component, don't show it in Add/Remove Programs'. So it doesn't, and it doesn't write any of the other information to HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Uninstall that it normally would. (What would be the point? You can't see it anyway.) Using ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to support your own bootstrap, to prevent Windows Installer writing its own UninstallString, is kind of a convenient accident. I'm not sure it was originally intended. The documentation actually says "Setting the ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT property to 1 using the command line or a transform prevents the application from being displayed in the Add or Remove Programs list of Control Panel." No mention of doing it in the original package! I think the idea was that OEMs would set it for anything they didn't want their users to uninstall. -- Mike Dimmick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching Sent: 22 February 2008 07:13 To: Ahn Ahn Liu Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version 1. ARPSIZE is set magically by ARP. There is no real way to control it. Raymond Chen (Master of all things Shell) had a fun blog entry about how ARP calculated the size it displayed there. The fact that it took him a couple paragraphs is telling. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version
Setting ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT can make servicing very difficult. Read http://blogs.msdn.com/heaths/archive/tags/ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT/default.aspx for a lot of the problems you'll encounter and some tips to work around them. To set the version that shows up in ARP if you are managing it yourself, set DisplayVersion (REG_SZ). Rob Mensching wrote: > 1. Sure, hacks are always a good idea. > > 2. Oh, if you set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT then you are on your own. I > haven't dug into the Uninstall key enough to know if/how to set the > version. It is entirely possible that it is a MSI only thing in ARP. > > > Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: > >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> 1. Too bad about not being able to control it. Since our chainer just calls >> a bunch of other packages and doesn't actually install anything itself the >> size shown is only 7.6MB when in reality, it's over 3GB! Maybe I'll check >> with the Shell team to see if there's any hack around it. >> >> 2. I set product/@Version to 1.0.0.0 but the arp entry still shows it as >> blank... I'm setting ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to 1, so I imagine that's why it's >> not pulling the version from product/@version. I also set the >> windows\currentversion\uninstall\version and productversion field to 1.0.0.0 >> but that unfortunately does change the arp version field either. Any other >> ideas on this one? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ahn AHn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:13 PM >> To: Ahn Ahn Liu >> Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version >> >> 1. ARPSIZE is set magically by ARP. There is no real way to control it. >> Raymond Chen (Master of all things Shell) had a fun blog entry about how >> ARP calculated the size it displayed there. The fact that it took him a >> couple paragraphs is telling. >> >> 2. AFAIK, the ARP Version is controlled by the Product/@Version >> (ProductVersion in MSI speak). >> >> PS: In case you didn't know, ARP is the Shell team's fault not the >> Windows Installer team's fault. >> >> Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: >> >> >>> I was wondering if it was possible to set the size and version that >>> shows up for a given program in ARP when I set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to >>> 1. For size, it seems like setting ARPSIZE or EstimatedSize has no >>> effect. I'm also unsure how to set the Version. Does anybody have an idea? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> WiX-users mailing list >>> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >>> >>> >>> >> - >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ >> ___ >> WiX-users mailing list >> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >> >> >> > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version
1. Sure, hacks are always a good idea. 2. Oh, if you set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT then you are on your own. I haven't dug into the Uninstall key enough to know if/how to set the version. It is entirely possible that it is a MSI only thing in ARP. Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > 1. Too bad about not being able to control it. Since our chainer just calls > a bunch of other packages and doesn't actually install anything itself the > size shown is only 7.6MB when in reality, it's over 3GB! Maybe I'll check > with the Shell team to see if there's any hack around it. > > 2. I set product/@Version to 1.0.0.0 but the arp entry still shows it as > blank... I'm setting ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to 1, so I imagine that's why it's > not pulling the version from product/@version. I also set the > windows\currentversion\uninstall\version and productversion field to 1.0.0.0 > but that unfortunately does change the arp version field either. Any other > ideas on this one? > > Thanks, > > Ahn AHn > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:13 PM > To: Ahn Ahn Liu > Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version > > 1. ARPSIZE is set magically by ARP. There is no real way to control it. > Raymond Chen (Master of all things Shell) had a fun blog entry about how > ARP calculated the size it displayed there. The fact that it took him a > couple paragraphs is telling. > > 2. AFAIK, the ARP Version is controlled by the Product/@Version > (ProductVersion in MSI speak). > > PS: In case you didn't know, ARP is the Shell team's fault not the > Windows Installer team's fault. > > Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: > >> I was wondering if it was possible to set the size and version that >> shows up for a given program in ARP when I set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to >> 1. For size, it seems like setting ARPSIZE or EstimatedSize has no >> effect. I'm also unsure how to set the Version. Does anybody have an idea? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> - >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ >> >> >> ___ >> WiX-users mailing list >> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >> >> > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version
Thanks for the reply. 1. Too bad about not being able to control it. Since our chainer just calls a bunch of other packages and doesn't actually install anything itself the size shown is only 7.6MB when in reality, it's over 3GB! Maybe I'll check with the Shell team to see if there's any hack around it. 2. I set product/@Version to 1.0.0.0 but the arp entry still shows it as blank... I'm setting ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to 1, so I imagine that's why it's not pulling the version from product/@version. I also set the windows\currentversion\uninstall\version and productversion field to 1.0.0.0 but that unfortunately does change the arp version field either. Any other ideas on this one? Thanks, Ahn AHn -Original Message- From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:13 PM To: Ahn Ahn Liu Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version 1. ARPSIZE is set magically by ARP. There is no real way to control it. Raymond Chen (Master of all things Shell) had a fun blog entry about how ARP calculated the size it displayed there. The fact that it took him a couple paragraphs is telling. 2. AFAIK, the ARP Version is controlled by the Product/@Version (ProductVersion in MSI speak). PS: In case you didn't know, ARP is the Shell team's fault not the Windows Installer team's fault. Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: > > I was wondering if it was possible to set the size and version that > shows up for a given program in ARP when I set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to > 1. For size, it seems like setting ARPSIZE or EstimatedSize has no > effect. I'm also unsure how to set the Version. Does anybody have an idea? > > Thanks! > > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Setting Estimated Size and Version
1. ARPSIZE is set magically by ARP. There is no real way to control it. Raymond Chen (Master of all things Shell) had a fun blog entry about how ARP calculated the size it displayed there. The fact that it took him a couple paragraphs is telling. 2. AFAIK, the ARP Version is controlled by the Product/@Version (ProductVersion in MSI speak). PS: In case you didn't know, ARP is the Shell team's fault not the Windows Installer team's fault. Ahn Ahn Liu wrote: > > I was wondering if it was possible to set the size and version that > shows up for a given program in ARP when I set ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT to > 1. For size, it seems like setting ARPSIZE or EstimatedSize has no > effect. I’m also unsure how to set the Version. Does anybody have an idea? > > Thanks! > > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ > > > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
