Re: Recycler.app hanging
Hi, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 30/10/13 Riccardo Mottola said: Would mind do the following: 1) select the file you want to preview 2) open Tools->Inspector->Tools This should report all registered Applications which may open the filetype you want. You should have one or more. I suppose in your case Preview.app is the default 3) try double-click there with the different applications They all should open! Or does it work for some yes and for some not? Looks like Preview.app is broken. ViewPDF works, and I'm not sure how to easily associate other viewers. I clicked on a .py file and saw no way to associate it with TextView, or anything else. I find the interface quite unintuitive, with lots of flickering as my mouse causes focus changes. It seems incompatible with focus follows mouse mode, since some windows just lower when my mouse moves out from the window boundaries. The mechanism is directly inherited from OpenStep and Mac. Each application "registers" itself, it has a manifest (plist file) of the document types it is able to open. AppWrappers for non-gnustep apps provide that too. In the Inspector section "tools" you will see all apps that registered and you can select the default one. GNUstep is essentially incompatible with focus follows mouse, to my knowledge. It doesn't fits it model and I don't know if there are tweaks to make it work, I don't use it. I'm also unclear on the boundaries between GWorkspace and WindowMaker, as they both seem to implement a dock... well, yes... essentially one can be used without the other. But if you use both, you need to fiddle with some preferences to personalize it. You may disable the desktop of the GWorkspace when using debian. Or you can also show/hide the desktop at your need from the menu. Ok, thanks. I'd love to see some good tutorials in youtube, or elsewhere. I never had the need for one, I know of this tutorial: http://gnustep.made-it.com/GWorkspace/GWorkspace.html it should be updated in several details and look squit ebasic, but should be a good start. Riccardo -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 30/10/13 Riccardo Mottola said: > Would mind do the following: > 1) select the file you want to preview > 2) open Tools->Inspector->Tools This should report all registered > Applications which may open the filetype you want. You should have > one or more. I suppose in your case Preview.app is the default > 3) try double-click there with the different applications > They all should open! Or does it work for some yes and for some not? Looks like Preview.app is broken. ViewPDF works, and I'm not sure how to easily associate other viewers. I clicked on a .py file and saw no way to associate it with TextView, or anything else. I find the interface quite unintuitive, with lots of flickering as my mouse causes focus changes. It seems incompatible with focus follows mouse mode, since some windows just lower when my mouse moves out from the window boundaries. I'm also unclear on the boundaries between GWorkspace and WindowMaker, as they both seem to implement a dock... > I'd reccoment using PRICE.app and GSPdf if available under Debian. > Those are currently maintained, if Debian will ever update their old > packages (open bug reports, make pressing!). I don't know if Preview > and ViewPDF are, they are not under my "umbrella". > > However, here we are really digressing out of wmaker's scope. THese > are mostly Debian packaging problem of gnustep applications or > perhaps bugs in GS apps, it depends. Ok, thanks. I'd love to see some good tutorials in youtube, or elsewhere. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recycler.app hanging
Hi, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 11/10/13 Riccardo Mottola said: Hi Michael, I happen to be the current GWorkspace maintainer The version packaged in Debian doesn't seem to do much useful. I just tried to double click on a simple photo and I get this error 2013-10-29 23:20:45.871 ViewPDF[8982] use generic splash rendering /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/Preview.app/Preview: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: -[nil _notifyMouseDown:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance (null) 2013-10-29 23:21:44.703 WrapperFactory[9009] Filename: /home/msoulier/Dropbox/Camera Uploads/2013-09-07 12.55.21.jpg /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/Preview.app/Preview: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: -[nil _notifyMouseDown:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance (null) Wow, that's bad. I assure you that it works here :) Would mind do the following: 1) select the file you want to preview 2) open Tools->Inspector->Tools This should report all registered Applications which may open the filetype you want. You should have one or more. I suppose in your case Preview.app is the default 3) try double-click there with the different applications They all should open! Or does it work for some yes and for some not? I'd reccoment using PRICE.app and GSPdf if available under Debian. Those are currently maintained, if Debian will ever update their old packages (open bug reports, make pressing!). I don't know if Preview and ViewPDF are, they are not under my "umbrella". However, here we are really digressing out of wmaker's scope. THese are mostly Debian packaging problem of gnustep applications or perhaps bugs in GS apps, it depends. Riccardo -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 11/10/13 Riccardo Mottola said: > Hi Michael, > > I happen to be the current GWorkspace maintainer The version packaged in Debian doesn't seem to do much useful. I just tried to double click on a simple photo and I get this error 2013-10-29 23:20:45.871 ViewPDF[8982] use generic splash rendering /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/Preview.app/Preview: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: -[nil _notifyMouseDown:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance (null) 2013-10-29 23:21:44.703 WrapperFactory[9009] Filename: /home/msoulier/Dropbox/Camera Uploads/2013-09-07 12.55.21.jpg /usr/lib/GNUstep/Applications/Preview.app/Preview: Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: -[nil _notifyMouseDown:]: unrecognized selector sent to instance (null) I can't view pictures, pdfs, nothing... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recycler.app hanging
Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 14/10/13 Michael P. Soulier said: Hmm. Perhaps I should just build from source then, and install to my home dir or /usr/local. It would be a bit newer, in any case. Stable is running 0.95.3, while the latest wmaker source is 0.95.5. gworkspace.app in stable is 0.8.8, indeed. Hmm. http://www.gnustep.it/enrico/gworkspace/#Download The latest version of Gworkspace (v0.8.6, released Jun 08 2007) can be download here. That's odd, since Debian includes 0.8.8 and you said that it is ancient. Ah, this is better. http://www.gnustep.org/experience/GWorkspace.html gnustep.it is still the top hit in google... wow, google is out of date since YEARS. But I have no access to the .it domain... the official place is gnustep.org Riccardo -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 14/10/13 Michael P. Soulier said: > Hmm. Perhaps I should just build from source then, and install to my home dir > or /usr/local. It would be a bit newer, in any case. Stable is running 0.95.3, > while the latest wmaker source is 0.95.5. gworkspace.app in stable is 0.8.8, > indeed. Hmm. http://www.gnustep.it/enrico/gworkspace/#Download The latest version of Gworkspace (v0.8.6, released Jun 08 2007) can be download here. That's odd, since Debian includes 0.8.8 and you said that it is ancient. Ah, this is better. http://www.gnustep.org/experience/GWorkspace.html gnustep.it is still the top hit in google... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 14/10/13 Riccardo Mottola said: > Yes, it should work, Recycler.app is just a separate application and > GWorkspace will check for its existence. The only thing is that to > have it started from WindowMaker, you need to be able to run the > binary (check the executable properties in the wmaker icon), > If you are using the traditional GS setup (or well, Debian will all > mangle up the files around in a FHS style layout and install a start > scritp: thus you need to change wmaker's property to that binary if > you don't want to source the GNUstep.sh file first) yo uned to > source the GNUstep.sh. > > All in all, I don't kn0w exaclty hwo Debain sets up things, my ol' > debian laptop just has X stopped working after the last upgrade Hmm. Perhaps I should just build from source then, and install to my home dir or /usr/local. It would be a bit newer, in any case. Stable is running 0.95.3, while the latest wmaker source is 0.95.5. gworkspace.app in stable is 0.8.8, indeed. > Check here: > http://www.gnustep.org/experience/DeveloperTools.html > > As a first, check this updated tutorial: > http://www.gnustep.org/experience/PierresDevTutorial/index.html Thanks, I'll take a look. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recycler.app hanging
Hi Michael, Michael P. Soulier wrote: If it happened just once, perhaps it was a once-in-a-time init issue. What is "GDesktop"? do you refer to GWorkspace own desktop? in that case the Recycler app shouldn't be running, because the GWorkspace's Dock is enabled. It is either on or the other. I found a menu option called the recycler, in the GWorkspace menu, and that's where the trouble began. Seems fine now, I start up the Recycler.app docked in WindowMaker without trouble, on its own now. Yes, it should work, Recycler.app is just a separate application and GWorkspace will check for its existence. The only thing is that to have it started from WindowMaker, you need to be able to run the binary (check the executable properties in the wmaker icon), If you are using the traditional GS setup (or well, Debian will all mangle up the files around in a FHS style layout and install a start scritp: thus you need to change wmaker's property to that binary if you don't want to source the GNUstep.sh file first) yo uned to source the GNUstep.sh. All in all, I don't kn0w exaclty hwo Debain sets up things, my ol' debian laptop just has X stopped working after the last upgrade If you are running debian packages, you are probably running stone-age old stuff (0.8.8 ?). Please open a bug to get a newer version! In 2-3 years, GNUstep improved a lot in terms of bugs both in GWorkspace as in its core and Debian packags ridiculous stuff which makes us bad publicity. Perhaps with another bug report they will finally update I'll check the versions. And in case, report Debian please :) Indeed, if you like GNUstep stuff, you are welcome, but windowmaker is a separate project since many years. Come over, we're open. Having recently played with a Mac, I find objective C and the NextStep technology interesting. I did write a simple hello world app and then try to port it to Linux with GNUstep, and run into minor trouble, both with the documentation and the differences between the platforms. Still, interesting. I'd like to play more in that environment. I hope you get more interested, come over to GNUstep if you like it. Check here: http://www.gnustep.org/experience/DeveloperTools.html As a first, check this updated tutorial: http://www.gnustep.org/experience/PierresDevTutorial/index.html Riccardo -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 2013-10-11, at 4:24 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > I happen to be the current GWorkspace maintainer Oh, one thing I meant to ask was if file types in GWorkspace can be associated with non-GNUstep apps. I tried to associate .txt files with GVim, but the only option I was presented with was TextEdit.app, I think. Thanks, Mike -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
On 2013-10-11, at 4:24 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I happen to be the current GWorkspace maintainer That's helpful… > I wonder indeed if this is a windowmaker or a GNUstep/GWorkspace issue. I misspoke, please s/GDesktop/GWorkspace/g. > If it happened just once, perhaps it was a once-in-a-time init issue. > > What is "GDesktop"? do you refer to GWorkspace own desktop? in that case the > Recycler app shouldn't be running, because the GWorkspace's Dock is enabled. > It is either on or the other. I found a menu option called the recycler, in the GWorkspace menu, and that's where the trouble began. Seems fine now, I start up the Recycler.app docked in WindowMaker without trouble, on its own now. > If you are running debian packages, you are probably running stone-age old > stuff (0.8.8 ?). Please open a bug to get a newer version! In 2-3 years, > GNUstep improved a lot in terms of bugs both in GWorkspace as in its core and > Debian packags ridiculous stuff which makes us bad publicity. > Perhaps with another bug report they will finally update I'll check the versions. > Indeed, if you like GNUstep stuff, you are welcome, but windowmaker is a > separate project since many years. Come over, we're open. Having recently played with a Mac, I find objective C and the NextStep technology interesting. I did write a simple hello world app and then try to port it to Linux with GNUstep, and run into minor trouble, both with the documentation and the differences between the platforms. Still, interesting. I'd like to play more in that environment. Mike -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: Recycler.app hanging
Hi Michael, I happen to be the current GWorkspace maintainer On 10/11/13 02:02, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 10/10/13 Charles Philip Chan said: 1. Does the Recycler startup properly in another window manager? 2. What errors do you got when you start it from an xterm? It starts fine now actually, it only hung once while launching from GDesktop. GDesktop hung my entire desktop once, too, so I might avoid that until I pick up a newer version. I wonder indeed if this is a windowmaker or a GNUstep/GWorkspace issue. If it happened just once, perhaps it was a once-in-a-time init issue. What is "GDesktop"? do you refer to GWorkspace own desktop? in that case the Recycler app shouldn't be running, because the GWorkspace's Dock is enabled. It is either on or the other. If you are running debian packages, you are probably running stone-age old stuff (0.8.8 ?). Please open a bug to get a newer version! In 2-3 years, GNUstep improved a lot in terms of bugs both in GWorkspace as in its core and Debian packags ridiculous stuff which makes us bad publicity. Perhaps with another bug report they will finally update However, this question is probably better asked in the GNUstep mailing list. You can subscribe to the list here: http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep Indeed, if you like GNUstep stuff, you are welcome, but windowmaker is a separate project since many years. Come over, we're open. Riccardo --- GNUstep maintainer and Application developer -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
