Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-02 Thread Renan Traba
about the xrandr support, is not possible to just reconfigure wmaker
instead of restart ?


2013/4/1 Carlos R. Mafra 

> On Mon,  1 Apr 2013 at 11:31:37 -0700, Don Sutter wrote:
> >
> > I built an AutoStart command that partially takes care of these issues:
> > ~/GNUstep/AutoStart/Enabled/00_vmware-user
> >
> > #!/bin/sh
> > #set -x
> > /usr/bin/vmware-user
> > xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080
> >
> > but this still leaves me needing to restart the desktop session. Is
> > there a command I could issue after xrandr that would restart my
> > desktop session?
>
> If you compile wmaker with --enable-xrandr then wmaker automatically
> restarts once xrandr changes are detected.
>
> This dirty solution works fine when you are lucky, but there are
> some cases where wmaker enters an infinite loop of restarts. That's
> why this option is not enabled by default. It is also very hacky and
> deserves to be nuked once a better solution is found.
>
> You might want to check if it works for you, but you'll have to
> compile wmaker yourself.
>
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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-01 Thread Don Sutter

Hi Paul!

No joy.

I removed the "xrandr" line from 00_vmware-user -  wmaker automatically 
resizes without it (but the dock and clip are left needing a session 
restart).


I first tried changing the local file ($HOME/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState) 
but noticed it kept reverting to "Applications768"


I then changed the global default (/etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState) and 
nothing different happened.


And changing both didn't produce any different result.

Don

On 4/1/2013 12:06 PM, Paul Seelig wrote:

On 04/01/2013 08:31 PM, Don Sutter wrote:

The Display Resolution has always worked once I got VMware Tools
installed but I do have to manually restart the session in order to
straighten out the dock and clip. I built an AutoStart command that
partially takes care of these issues:
~/GNUstep/AutoStart/Enabled/00_vmware-user

 #!/bin/sh
 #set -x
 /usr/bin/vmware-user
 xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080

but this still leaves me needing to restart the desktop session. Is
there a command I could issue after xrandr that would restart my desktop
session?

Cool, now we are talking about some real diagnostic investigation.

Try to replace th following line in $HOME/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState
(maybe also in the systemwide /etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState) in the
third line at the top of the file:

 Applications1200 = (

(or whatever value is shown there) with

 Applications1920 = (

before starting up wmaker. Does this make a difference?

I have set this resolution width values by default to 1200 pixels, which
obviuously is not enough for your screen resolution. It usually
automatically scales down to the correct value of the actual display
size, but the other way round it doesn't up if the display is actually
larger than the preset. As this is hardcoded within the ISO, the adapted
value will not be saved between sessions, unless wmlive is running from
an installation to disk.

I will set this value higher in future wmlive releases, e.g. the value
1920 your display is using. This should resolve the issue for a while,
unless someone comes along with an even superior resolution. ;)

Does this resolve the issue for you, at least to some degree?

Thanks for your patience,
Paul







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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-01 Thread Carlos R. Mafra
On Mon,  1 Apr 2013 at 11:31:37 -0700, Don Sutter wrote:
>
> I built an AutoStart command that partially takes care of these issues:
> ~/GNUstep/AutoStart/Enabled/00_vmware-user
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> #set -x
> /usr/bin/vmware-user
> xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080
> 
> but this still leaves me needing to restart the desktop session. Is
> there a command I could issue after xrandr that would restart my
> desktop session?

If you compile wmaker with --enable-xrandr then wmaker automatically
restarts once xrandr changes are detected.

This dirty solution works fine when you are lucky, but there are
some cases where wmaker enters an infinite loop of restarts. That's
why this option is not enabled by default. It is also very hacky and
deserves to be nuked once a better solution is found.

You might want to check if it works for you, but you'll have to
compile wmaker yourself.


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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-01 Thread Paul Seelig
On 04/01/2013 08:31 PM, Don Sutter wrote:
> The Display Resolution has always worked once I got VMware Tools
> installed but I do have to manually restart the session in order to
> straighten out the dock and clip. I built an AutoStart command that
> partially takes care of these issues:
> ~/GNUstep/AutoStart/Enabled/00_vmware-user
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> #set -x
> /usr/bin/vmware-user
> xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080
> 
> but this still leaves me needing to restart the desktop session. Is
> there a command I could issue after xrandr that would restart my desktop
> session?

Cool, now we are talking about some real diagnostic investigation.

Try to replace th following line in $HOME/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState
(maybe also in the systemwide /etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WMState) in the
third line at the top of the file:

Applications1200 = (

(or whatever value is shown there) with

Applications1920 = (

before starting up wmaker. Does this make a difference?

I have set this resolution width values by default to 1200 pixels, which
obviuously is not enough for your screen resolution. It usually
automatically scales down to the correct value of the actual display
size, but the other way round it doesn't up if the display is actually
larger than the preset. As this is hardcoded within the ISO, the adapted
value will not be saved between sessions, unless wmlive is running from
an installation to disk.

I will set this value higher in future wmlive releases, e.g. the value
1920 your display is using. This should resolve the issue for a while,
unless someone comes along with an even superior resolution. ;)

Does this resolve the issue for you, at least to some degree?

Thanks for your patience,
Paul


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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-01 Thread Don Sutter

Paul!

On 4/1/2013 7:52 AM, Paul Seelig wrote:

Hi Don!

On 04/01/2013 06:20 AM, Don Sutter wrote:

This is a real mystery to me - last year's release works, this year's
doesn't.


Would it make sense to verify if "last year's release" should maybe
rather apply to VMware than just wmlive/wmaker? What has changed from
the VMware side since last year besides the wmlive version? Does the old
wmlive version still works as expected within the same VMware setup?
I'm using the very same version of VMware on both wmlive/wmaker 
installations. The only difference between the two is wmlive/wmaker. 
(Although VMware (and Tools) was probably at version 9.0.0 when I setup 
wmaker last year ... Hummm)

For what it's worth, I think the issue starts with grub. Last
year's grub is version 1.99-23 and it starts out at 1920x1080 with
wmaker following suit whereas this year's version of grub is 1.99-27 and
it starts out small, ignoring the 'GRUB_GFXMODE' line.


Once the wmlive/wmaker desktop is up, could you try to run from the
wmaker root menu "WindowMaker > Applications > Display Resolution",
which will fire up an instance of the lxrandr application.

It will show you all currently available display resolutions and lets
you seamlessly switch between them. If the dock and clip are still
slightly displaced after any resolution switch, a simple restart of
wmaker should take care of it. Does this help with VMware?
The Display Resolution has always worked once I got VMware Tools 
installed but I do have to manually restart the session in order to 
straighten out the dock and clip. I built an AutoStart command that 
partially takes care of these issues: 
~/GNUstep/AutoStart/Enabled/00_vmware-user


#!/bin/sh
#set -x
/usr/bin/vmware-user
xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080

but this still leaves me needing to restart the desktop session. Is 
there a command I could issue after xrandr that would restart my desktop 
session?

I also run the latest Oracle VM VirtualBox so maybe I'll give it a whirl
and see what happens.


I just verified that the above mentioned works just fine and as
described with VirtualBox version 4.2.10 r84104.

Same here.

Best Regards,
Paul





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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-04-01 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi Don!

On 04/01/2013 06:20 AM, Don Sutter wrote:
> This is a real mystery to me - last year's release works, this year's
> doesn't. 
>
Would it make sense to verify if "last year's release" should maybe
rather apply to VMware than just wmlive/wmaker? What has changed from
the VMware side since last year besides the wmlive version? Does the old
wmlive version still works as expected within the same VMware setup?

> For what it's worth, I think the issue starts with grub. Last
> year's grub is version 1.99-23 and it starts out at 1920x1080 with
> wmaker following suit whereas this year's version of grub is 1.99-27 and
> it starts out small, ignoring the 'GRUB_GFXMODE' line.
> 
Once the wmlive/wmaker desktop is up, could you try to run from the
wmaker root menu "WindowMaker > Applications > Display Resolution",
which will fire up an instance of the lxrandr application.

It will show you all currently available display resolutions and lets
you seamlessly switch between them. If the dock and clip are still
slightly displaced after any resolution switch, a simple restart of
wmaker should take care of it. Does this help with VMware?

> I also run the latest Oracle VM VirtualBox so maybe I'll give it a whirl
> and see what happens.
> 
I just verified that the above mentioned works just fine and as
described with VirtualBox version 4.2.10 r84104.

Best Regards,
Paul


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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-03-31 Thread Don Sutter

Thanks Paul,

Thanks so much for getting back.

This is a real mystery to me - last year's release works, this year's 
doesn't. For what it's worth, I think the issue starts with grub. Last 
year's grub is version 1.99-23 and it starts out at 1920x1080 with 
wmaker following suit whereas this year's version of grub is 1.99-27 and 
it starts out small, ignoring the 'GRUB_GFXMODE' line.


I also run the latest Oracle VM VirtualBox so maybe I'll give it a whirl 
and see what happens.


Thanks again and how's the RSI coming along?

Don

On 3/31/2013 5:15 PM, Paul Seelig wrote:

Hi Don,

i fear i won't be able to help with this.

My last Linux related VMware desktop memories stem from sometime during
the midst of last decade or so. Since then i have moved on to Qemu/KVM
and at times also some little VirtualBox, but both not even in any
Windows environments.

So i fear i have not enough clues in this matter to be of any help.

Sorry for not being able to provide any support in this regard.

Best regards,
Paul

On 04/01/2013 01:58 AM, Don Sutter wrote:

Paul,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this latest release. I hope your RSI
issue resolves itself soon. I'd have asked the following a few weeks ago
but my swamp filled up with several 'gators and I've just gotten back to
working with WMaker.

I'm still having a display size issue witdh the latest WMaker and VMware
9.0.2. WMaker comes up at 1280x768 whereas I would like it to come up at
1920x1080 and have my mouse work seamlessly between WMaker and Windows.

Everything worked in the last version of WMaker by installing VMware
Tools and adding "GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080" to /etc/defalut/grub (and
running 'update-grub') -and- I don't remember ever needing to run
'vmware-user'.

Now I have to run 'vmware-user' to get the mouse to operate properly and
then I have to run "Display Resolution" and "Session Restart" to get the
display work properly even though vbeinfo shows 1920x1080 is valid and
/etc/default/grub has been modified and updated.

What is the proper way to get where I want to go?

Thanks in advance.

Don









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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-03-31 Thread kix
Try to set the videomode in xorg.conf for that resolución.

Paul Seelig  escribió:

>Hi Don,
>
>i fear i won't be able to help with this.
>
>My last Linux related VMware desktop memories stem from sometime during
>the midst of last decade or so. Since then i have moved on to Qemu/KVM
>and at times also some little VirtualBox, but both not even in any
>Windows environments.
>
>So i fear i have not enough clues in this matter to be of any help.
>
>Sorry for not being able to provide any support in this regard.
>
>Best regards,
>Paul
>
>On 04/01/2013 01:58 AM, Don Sutter wrote:
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Thank you, thank you, thank you for this latest release. I hope your
>RSI
>> issue resolves itself soon. I'd have asked the following a few weeks
>ago
>> but my swamp filled up with several 'gators and I've just gotten back
>to
>> working with WMaker.
>> 
>> I'm still having a display size issue witdh the latest WMaker and
>VMware
>> 9.0.2. WMaker comes up at 1280x768 whereas I would like it to come up
>at
>> 1920x1080 and have my mouse work seamlessly between WMaker and
>Windows.
>> 
>> Everything worked in the last version of WMaker by installing VMware
>> Tools and adding "GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080" to /etc/defalut/grub (and
>> running 'update-grub') -and- I don't remember ever needing to run
>> 'vmware-user'.
>> 
>> Now I have to run 'vmware-user' to get the mouse to operate properly
>and
>> then I have to run "Display Resolution" and "Session Restart" to get
>the
>> display work properly even though vbeinfo shows 1920x1080 is valid
>and
>> /etc/default/grub has been modified and updated.
>> 
>> What is the proper way to get where I want to go?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>
>
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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-03-31 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi Don,

i fear i won't be able to help with this.

My last Linux related VMware desktop memories stem from sometime during
the midst of last decade or so. Since then i have moved on to Qemu/KVM
and at times also some little VirtualBox, but both not even in any
Windows environments.

So i fear i have not enough clues in this matter to be of any help.

Sorry for not being able to provide any support in this regard.

Best regards,
Paul

On 04/01/2013 01:58 AM, Don Sutter wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you, thank you, thank you for this latest release. I hope your RSI
> issue resolves itself soon. I'd have asked the following a few weeks ago
> but my swamp filled up with several 'gators and I've just gotten back to
> working with WMaker.
> 
> I'm still having a display size issue witdh the latest WMaker and VMware
> 9.0.2. WMaker comes up at 1280x768 whereas I would like it to come up at
> 1920x1080 and have my mouse work seamlessly between WMaker and Windows.
> 
> Everything worked in the last version of WMaker by installing VMware
> Tools and adding "GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080" to /etc/defalut/grub (and
> running 'update-grub') -and- I don't remember ever needing to run
> 'vmware-user'.
> 
> Now I have to run 'vmware-user' to get the mouse to operate properly and
> then I have to run "Display Resolution" and "Session Restart" to get the
> display work properly even though vbeinfo shows 1920x1080 is valid and
> /etc/default/grub has been modified and updated.
> 
> What is the proper way to get where I want to go?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Don
> 
> 


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WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2 (continuing saga)

2013-03-31 Thread Don Sutter

Paul,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this latest release. I hope your RSI 
issue resolves itself soon. I'd have asked the following a few weeks ago 
but my swamp filled up with several 'gators and I've just gotten back to 
working with WMaker.


I'm still having a display size issue witdh the latest WMaker and VMware 
9.0.2. WMaker comes up at 1280x768 whereas I would like it to come up at 
1920x1080 and have my mouse work seamlessly between WMaker and Windows.


Everything worked in the last version of WMaker by installing VMware 
Tools and adding "GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080" to /etc/defalut/grub (and 
running 'update-grub') -and- I don't remember ever needing to run 
'vmware-user'.


Now I have to run 'vmware-user' to get the mouse to operate properly and 
then I have to run "Display Resolution" and "Session Restart" to get the 
display work properly even though vbeinfo shows 1920x1080 is valid and 
/etc/default/grub has been modified and updated.


What is the proper way to get where I want to go?

Thanks in advance.

Don


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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-20 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi Don and all,

as you already pointed out in a later message, with the 3.2 wheezy
kernel it finally worked for you. I am glad to hear that, and will add a
note about that to the next wmlive version release notes.

Just to answer your question regarding kernel headers, they are already
included for both kernel versions, as they are required for building the
tp-smapi kernel modules in order to provide proper power management
support on Thinkpads out of the box. As i am a Thinkpad user myself,
this was an important aspect for my personal selfish interests. ;)

Other than that, the next wmlive update for amd64 will contain at least
kernel 3.8.3 as a secondary kernel option. The i386 version will stick
to 3.2 kernels only, as it is more important to provide a supposedly
better tested conservative kernel option for both i486 and i686-pae than
to exclusively rely on a kernel from the experimental branch. For amd64
we only provided this option because there was enough space left to
maintain the standard CD-ROM size of the ISO image while providing this
optional kernel choice.

The next wmlive vesion will also not have firefox and thunderbird
included in the live image itself, but both programs will be unpacked at
runtime or during installation from separate archives inluded in the top
level ISO image file tree. The rationale behind this stems from the fact
that there was a critical security update of firefox the day after the
current wmlive realease became available at sourceforge.

For the upcoming new wmlive version users will be able to replace the
firefox and thunderbird archives with newer ones by editing and saving
the wmlive ISO using the already included isomaster application. This
way the distributed ISO's can be kept up to date in this regard by the
users themselves without having to download a newer wmlive release.

Other than that, starting with the next wmlive release, we will be
additionally distributing incremental updates of the already available
ISO images using the xdelta3 utility. This can save a considerable
amount of download volume as these incremental xdelta3 updates will be
only around 250 MB per ISO. So stay tuned for the next release!

Unfortunately, this will still take a while until i have recovered from
a rather serious RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury) issue, which currently
doesn't permit me to use a computer in a normal way. This text was typed
with the left hand, for example. Please be patient while waiting for my
promised update.

Best regards,
Paul

On 03/19/2013 07:35 PM, Don Sutter wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Thanks for the info. I'll try the 3.2 wheezy kernel and see how it goes.
> I take it the kernel headers aren't installed for either version?
> 
> Don
> 


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WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-19 Thread Don Sutter

Paul,

Thanks for the info. VMware Tools loads and runs as I would expect with 
the 3.2 wheezy kernel.


Don

On 3/19/2013 5:39 AM, Paul Seelig wrote:

Hi Don,

while Wheezy does identify itself as 7, it is still not released, and i
doubt it will be anytime soon. Also, please be aware that kernel version
3.8-trunk for any architecture is indeed from the Debian experimental
branch, as explained in the wmlive release notes.

I have not tested wmlive in any way with VMware, so i fear you are on
your own here. In any case, if  kernel 3.8-trunk does not work, please
just try the 3.2 wheezy kernel, instead. It is already installed in
parallel, as it was also used to bootstrap the installation.

You might like to try with Virtualbox instead, which has received at
least some basic testing during the development of wmlive and appears to
work just fine.

Regards,
Paul

On 03/19/2013 03:49 AM, Don Sutter wrote:

Does anyone know how to install VMware tools in the latest 64-bit
version of WMaker (3.8-trunk-amd64)? VMware doesn't appear to realize
Debian 7 is out and attempts to compile VMware Tools for Debian 6 end
with VMware complaining the Linux Headers are missing.

Thanks in advance for your reply

Don










Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-19 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi Don,

while Wheezy does identify itself as 7, it is still not released, and i
doubt it will be anytime soon. Also, please be aware that kernel version
3.8-trunk for any architecture is indeed from the Debian experimental
branch, as explained in the wmlive release notes.

I have not tested wmlive in any way with VMware, so i fear you are on
your own here. In any case, if  kernel 3.8-trunk does not work, please
just try the 3.2 wheezy kernel, instead. It is already installed in
parallel, as it was also used to bootstrap the installation.

You might like to try with Virtualbox instead, which has received at
least some basic testing during the development of wmlive and appears to
work just fine.

Regards,
Paul

On 03/19/2013 03:49 AM, Don Sutter wrote:
> Does anyone know how to install VMware tools in the latest 64-bit
> version of WMaker (3.8-trunk-amd64)? VMware doesn't appear to realize
> Debian 7 is out and attempts to compile VMware Tools for Debian 6 end
> with VMware complaining the Linux Headers are missing.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your reply
> 
> Don
> 
> 


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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-19 Thread Tim Hawes
6.0.7 is the latest Debian. VMware tools should have pre-built modules 
for this. If you are trying to install on Debian Testing or Unstable. 
I'd hit up the VMware forums for help. They would probably take interest 
in versions of Debian that have not been released yet, just to keep 
their own tools up to date.


Tim Hawes
Programmer
[email protected]

On 03/18/2013 10:49 PM, Don Sutter wrote:
Does anyone know how to install VMware tools in the latest 64-bit 
version of WMaker (3.8-trunk-amd64)? VMware doesn't appear to realize 
Debian 7 is out and attempts to compile VMware Tools for Debian 6 end 
with VMware complaining the Linux Headers are missing.


Thanks in advance for your reply

Don





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Re: WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-18 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
On 2013-03-18, at 19:49, Don Sutter  wrote:

> Does anyone know how to install VMware tools in the latest 64-bit version of 
> WMaker (3.8-trunk-amd64)? VMware doesn't appear to realize Debian 7 is out 
> and attempts to compile VMware Tools for Debian 6 end with VMware complaining 
> the Linux Headers are missing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Debian 6.0.7 is the latest release.

http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/

   04 Mar 2013 Debian 6.0.7 released, call for projects and mentors for GSoC 
2013, Wheezy release progress, arm64 image

-john



WMaker Live (latest 2013) and VMware WS 9.0.2

2013-03-18 Thread Don Sutter
Does anyone know how to install VMware tools in the latest 64-bit 
version of WMaker (3.8-trunk-amd64)? VMware doesn't appear to realize 
Debian 7 is out and attempts to compile VMware Tools for Debian 6 end 
with VMware complaining the Linux Headers are missing.


Thanks in advance for your reply

Don


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