Re: [WSG] injecting an extra hook with javascript

2005-11-02 Thread James Gollan
You mentioned that you wanted to be able to see it when you view the source - is that important? Because you wont *see* the span element but the browser will. (I imagine you are doing this for an image replacement technique in which case not seeing it wouldn't be a big issue). Remember you

Re: [WSG] injecting an extra hook with javascript

2005-11-02 Thread Joshua Street
On 11/2/05, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mentioned that you wanted to be able to see it when you view the source - is that important? Because you wont *see* the span element but the browser will. (I imagine you are doing this for an image replacement technique in which case not

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-02 Thread kvnmcwebn
thanks for all the brillant feedback! I will try putting a page or two through a screen reader for them. Also I will show them how much easier it is to do a redesign with a standards based website as they do this quite a bit. On top of that a lot of thier contracts specify accesibility as a

Re: [WSG] injecting an extra hook with javascript

2005-11-02 Thread Anders Nawroth
James Gollan skrev: You mentioned that you wanted to be able to see it when you view the source - is that important? http://jennifermadden.com/scripts/ViewRenderedSource.html FF extension to see the rendered source ! /AndersN ** The

Re: [WSG] injecting an extra hook with javascript

2005-11-02 Thread Dustin Diaz
I completely dooced the onload. If you're using one of the infamous addEvent methods, you could just do this: addEvent(window,'load',insertSpan); Dustin On 11/2/05, Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Gollan skrev: You mentioned that you wanted to be able to see it when you view

[WSG] List Styles Appearing Different in IE vs FF

2005-11-02 Thread jdreid
Why are the ul and li styles so different from IE to Firefox? http://www.kustom.com/092005/support/productreviews.asp Also there is a 2 pixel difference in the width of the container, you can see the difference by going from IE to Firefox. This hiccup in IE, is this the box model hack?

Re: [WSG] List Styles Appearing Different in IE vs FF

2005-11-02 Thread Terrence Wood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How do you fix this easily sitewide? IE *is* using the IE box model. Your page is in quirks mode due to the blank line(s) before the DTD. However, your issues seem to stem, not from being in quirks mode but, from having a mixture of external CSS, inline CSS, center and

[WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Julián Landerreche
I know this is a topic that often comes back to the list. Well, it comes back again. I'm having some troubles when trying to think how headings should be used, and I'm always thinking about simplify the site structure, but that simplification always seems to mean "strip out content". Summary

[WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread csslist
I had this fixed but it seems to be backlook at formhttp://65.36.226.10/content/contact.cfmany suggestions?tia

RE: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Julián, H1 should only be used once, generally as your page title. In the detail view of an article the article's titleshould be an H1,unless your article pages always carry the parent title of e.g. News, in which case you would use H2 or lower. H2 headings and lower can be used

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Tia, Can u be more specific? Apart from the interminable load time the page and form both look good. Very pretty layout. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 9:50 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] color

[WSG] disabling autocomplete and validation

2005-11-02 Thread Focas, Grant
Hi, Im trying to implement a similar thing to Google suggest but have found that the browsers default autocomplete gets in the way. The only way Ive found to override this is to use the non-standard autocomplete=off attribute of the input element. This can be added by _javascript_ after

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-02 Thread Rachel Radford
We have moved a lot into .net stuff while still keeping it css layout, and although yes it did take time, our programmer now does this as normal practice. So it is possible!! It does take more time and effort for the programmer. You just have to make sure that they don't use the pre-built .net

[WSG] Webstock launches

2005-11-02 Thread Mike Brown
http://www.webstock.org.nz Web Standards New Zealand is extremely pleased to announce the launch of Webstock - a web experience and conference - to be held 23-23 May 2006 in Wellington, New Zealand. Among the speakers are Kelly Goto, Doug Bowman (who both spoke at Web Essentials), Ben

Re: [WSG] disabling autocomplete and validation

2005-11-02 Thread Terrence Wood
Focas, Grant said: Alternatively -does anyone know of a method to disable the autocomplete in a standards-based way? Isn't google suggest (and it's ilk) a javascript solution anyway? Manipulatling an attribute with javascript (even a non-standard one) so it doesn't interfere with your other

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Do you mean it's getting chopped off? What's it meant to look like? I'm getting scroll bars in IE6 and can access the entire form. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:13 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE:

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread csslist
this is how it is supposed to look, see how there isnt any color above the feildset border.http://www.jamwerx.com/form2.png (on ff mac)where as this one, there is some grey extending up over border towards the top (on ie6 pc)http://www.jamwerx.com/form1.jpgthe form works just there is now some

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Ah, I see. The background PNG is extending outside the border of the fieldset. Bizarro. Have you tried setting a background colour to see if it does the same? If not, then the problem lies with the background image. Try setting a value for background-position: top left. From: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
csslist wrote: this is how it is supposed to look, see how there isnt any color above the feildset border. http://www.jamwerx.com/form2.png (on ff mac) where as this one, there is some grey extending up over border towards the top (on ie6 pc) http://www.jamwerx.com/form1.jpg the form

RE: [WSG] disabling autocomplete and validation

2005-11-02 Thread Focas, Grant
Terrance Wood said: Manipulating an attribute with javascript (even a non-standard one) so it doesn't interfere with your other javascript functionality sounds like the ideal solution to me. Yes, but what purpose - if any - is served by hiding a non-html standard attribute. It's still there

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread csslist
yeah there is a bg color the png only goes half way down.it was working thats the weird thingFrom: "Paul Noone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:06 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset Ah, I see. The background PNG is extending

Re: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread csslist
i tried that and it got really weird!!!From: "Thierry Koblentz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:14 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldsetcsslist wrote: this is how it is supposed to look, see how there isnt any color above the

Re: [WSG] disabling autocomplete and validation

2005-11-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Focas, Grant wrote: Yes, but what purpose - if any - is served by hiding a non-html standard attribute. It's still there isn't it? I suspect there may be a reason to do this beyond the warm inner glow of validation. But I can't see it. At the moment it feels like merely tricking the validator

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread heretic
Hi there, One reason there is so much debate is the HTML 4.01 spec actually whimps out of making a call ;) In other words, it doesn't actually say if skipping a level is wrong; it just says some people think it's wrong. What the spec DOES say is that the headings are ordered from 1 to 6 in order

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Montoya
There's nothing wrong with: h1My site titleh1 ...navigation... h2My section name/h2 h3Latest Articles/h3 h4Article 1 Title/h4 pparagraph/p h4Article 2 Title/h4 pparagraph/p Another option is: h1My site titleh1 ...navigation... h2My

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Montoya
I spoke with programmers today. They were more receptive than i'd expected. They agreed give standards a go by easing into css based design one step at a time. Tell those programmers we are ready for their questions. :-) -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ...

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Andy Kirkwood|Motive
Hi Julián, SEMANTICS EXTRACTOR Sometimes a view that approximates the semantics of the content can be useful. Fortunately the W3C have just such a tool: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/semantic-extractor.html . This will likely affirm Paul's point regarding an h3 as a 'parent' to an h2 element

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-02 Thread kvnmcwebn
It does take more time and effort for the programmer. Even after the learning process is completed? big help-thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See