[WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-17 Thread Adam Morris
http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5/ In IE, when the window is shrunk, the content block drops underneath the logo image (ugly). Why does that happen when, in FF, it stays in position and compresses nicely? Also, in IE, there are gaps between the border images. Again, in FF, a nice smooth line.

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering Okay, so if this was implemented in user agents, what would be your educated estimate of percentage of users who would configure this and therefore avoid this problem of interpreting the incorrect state of form controls? I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the

[WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
I need to mark-up a document (XHTML) written in English, but which includes some Hebrew words. I'm trying to decide the following: 1. How should the words be marked-up: span, dfn, or just leave them in the flow? 2. Is the bdo element needed, or just the dir attribute? 3. How should the

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Geoff Deering
Patrick Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering Okay, so if this was implemented in user agents, what would be your educated estimate of percentage of users who would configure this and therefore avoid this problem of interpreting the incorrect state of form controls? I'd estimate it to

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Geoff Deering I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the percentage of users that have reconfigured their OS to use different default colours which would make them get confused by *judiciously* styled form controls. And what percentage of users that access those web pages would you

Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms

2005-11-17 Thread Andy Kirkwood, Motive
Hi Goran, Our glossary provides a few form references, including usability, accessibility, styling, etc. Have reviewed the references up to a point. As per usual with the web, caveat emptor. http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/forms.php Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director

RE: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Noone
Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum of characters then it may be prudent to use images for the Hebrew words and put the definition in the alt tag. Who are your users?? This will help you decide which

Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Noone wrote: Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. Probably utf-8. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum of characters I don't understand what you mean. it may be prudent to use images for the Hebrew words That wouldn't be very

Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Umm Paul Noone wrote: Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum of characters then it may be prudent to use images for the Hebrew words and put the definition in the alt tag. images for words? sounds

Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Mordechai Peller wrote: I need to mark-up a document (XHTML) written in English, but which includes some Hebrew words. I'm trying to decide the following: 1. How should the words be marked-up: span, dfn, or just leave them in the flow? Depends on the structure of your text and its purpose

[WSG] Webpatterns and WebSemantics

2005-11-17 Thread John Allsopp
Hi all, I've just published this http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2005/11/webpatterns_and.html There has been some discussion recently about what makes something a profession (or a discipline), in the context of our industry/ profession/discipline

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Geoff Deering
Patrick Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering I'd estimate it to be roughly the same as the percentage of users that have reconfigured their OS to use different default colours which would make them get confused by *judiciously* styled form controls. And what percentage of

Re: [WSG] Webpatterns and WebSemantics

2005-11-17 Thread Chris Blown
On 11/18/05, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interested in people's thoughts,Interesting and challenging idea John. I'll be keeping a keen eye on the site as it develops. We've tried for years to organise a similar ideal within our own crew here and while I'm sure a pattern exists, I

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Geoff Deering wrote: It's not a philosophical difference here, it amazes me that this is the perspective you draw, because it's clearly a difference of understanding and interpreting the impact of standard interface design elements when they clash with interface design conventions for

RE: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks for your comments, Andrew. At least your other reply was of some use. Just when _did_ this list stop being one of altruistic support for accessibility issues and become a forum for personal insult? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-17 Thread Herrod, Lisa
for the record, I'm still following the thread. this isn't even close to finished. -Original Message- From: Geoff Deering To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 11/18/05 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders Patrick Lauke wrote: Geoff Deering

Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Hi Paul, Paul Noone wrote: Thanks for your comments, Andrew. At least your other reply was of some use. Just when _did_ this list stop being one of altruistic support for accessibility issues and become a forum for personal insult? My deepest apologies Paul, I wasn't meaning to be

Re: [WSG] Can't select text on IE

2005-11-17 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 11/16/05, CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem: Using IE6, I am unable to select a part of the text from the content area. When I try to select a para or a line, all the text on the page within the parent div tag including the side menu bar get selected. There is a