Re: [WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Adam Morris
Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did! Why do negative margins shift things around in a better way than positive ones? ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Christian Montoya
Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did! Why do negative margins shift things around in a better way than positive ones? Because negative margins pull, while positive margins push. And everyone knows it's easier to pull

Re: [WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Adam Morris wrote: Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did! My fault - sorry. Yes, it should be a negative margin-left on the right container :-) Why do negative margins shift things around in a better way than positive

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread James Bennett
On 11/17/05, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linking back to my philosophical question at the beginning: is web development a subset of software development, or is it - for lack of a better term - the development of an experience. A related point from that: should web applications

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 11/18/05 2:16 AM James Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I think part of the problem here is that Great read. Thanks. You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for

[WSG] Inline link padding in IE6

2005-11-18 Thread Rowan Lewis
I've come accross an interesting (and painful) bug in IE6, when you have padding on a link, and a background colour set, and then margin to stop the link shifting, IE fails to draw the background over the padding: http://www.pixelcarnage.com/dump/rn.html I've tried many things, including giving

Re: [WSG] Inline link padding in IE6

2005-11-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rowan Lewis wrote: I've come accross an interesting (and painful) bug in IE6, when you have padding on a link, and a background colour set, and then margin to stop the link shifting, IE fails to draw the background over the padding: http://www.pixelcarnage.com/dump/rn.html I've tried many

[WSG] ACCESS + KEY still = ACCESSKEY

2005-11-18 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
With apologies for cross posting. Dear Friends, For the many that know me, you will know that a post to any of the lists I subscribe to on the topic of ACCESSKEY will automatically receive a response from me. I think by now my position is abundantly clear on this topic. When I first heard that

Re: [WSG] Inline link padding in IE6

2005-11-18 Thread Rowan Lewis
Thanks George, for helping me give it layout. But the top/bottom padding was an important part of the desired effect :/ Any idea how to do it? On 11/18/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rowan Lewis wrote: I've come accross an interesting (and painful) bug in IE6, when you have

Re: [WSG] Inline link padding in IE6

2005-11-18 Thread Bert Doorn
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: It is difficult to give a link layout, but 'zoom: 100%' will work. Question: Which CSS standard defines the zoom property? I don't see it in CSS2, nor in the CSS2.1 working draft. I suspect it's a Microsoft invention and its use will invalidate the CSS. You could

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Faaberg On 11/18/05 2:16 AM James Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I think part of the problem here is that You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-) So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalid and badly expressed? ;) Nah, just

Re: [WSG] Inline link padding in IE6

2005-11-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rowan Lewis wrote: Thanks George, for helping me give it layout. But the top/bottom padding was an important part of the desired effect :/ Any idea how to do it? Well, first you must set padding on the link - without hover - to make it height-stable. Then you can play around with some

[WSG] Re: All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Adam Morris
Thanks for the links, Gunlaug. A great css step forward for me, this one! Adam On 11/18/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Morris wrote: Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did! My fault - sorry. Yes, it

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Lindsay Evans
On 11/18/05, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Faaberg You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-)So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalidand badly expressed? ;) Yes, please validate your next ramble with one of the W3C's online tools please :pI

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Geoff Deering
Herrod, Lisa wrote: for the record, I'm still following the thread. this isn't even close to finished. I think it's best if I take a time out and write a thorough article. If it is a topic worthy of more discussion, I think that is the best way to serve that purpose.

Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Geoff Deering
James Bennett wrote: On 11/17/05, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linking back to my philosophical question at the beginning: is web development a subset of software development, or is it - for lack of a better term - the development of an experience. A related point from that:

[WSG] Firefox :hover font-weight: bold

2005-11-18 Thread Stuart Sherwood
Does anyone have any experience with a bug in Firefox when using a:hover {font-weight:bold;}? When the cursor moves over the link, other elements on the page shift or even flicker over other elements. Basically, the page is in chaos on :hover. Fixes, suggestions, guesses appreciated!

Re: [WSG] Firefox :hover font-weight: bold

2005-11-18 Thread James Gollan
its not to do with a bold font taking up more space and shifting other elements? Stuart Sherwood wrote: Does anyone have any experience with a bug in Firefox when using a:hover {font-weight:bold;}? When the cursor moves over the link, other elements on the page shift or even flicker over

Re: [WSG] Firefox :hover font-weight: bold

2005-11-18 Thread Charlie Bartlett
also are you certain you have closed all your a tag's? Charlie http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk On 11/19/05, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its not to do with a bold font taking up more space and shifting otherelements?Stuart Sherwood wrote: Does anyone have any experience with a bug in

Re: [WSG] Firefox :hover font-weight: bold

2005-11-18 Thread Stuart Sherwood
its not to do with a bold font taking up more space and shifting other elements? also are you certain you have closed all your a tag's? No, I wish it was this simple. I'm talking about elements that are located on the other side of the page flashing above the link with the hover. I'll get

[WSG] MSIE standalone from quirksmode and conditional comments

2005-11-18 Thread Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
Hi all, I'm using the standalone MSIE 5.01 and 5.5 from www.quirksmode.org to tweak a design for IE5 and 5.5. This went perfectly fine, the site looks great. However I have one question: Is it just me or don't these versions pick up conditional comments for various older IE versions?