[WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem only happens when I have different images for link and hover, and a background image for the #menu. The problem has been there for a long time with other sites,

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Bob Schwartz
I would do a preload images on the body tag for the over state images since as it is they seem to load for the first time when you do a mouse over. bob Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Heiden
tee, you need a preloader (javascript) or better use css rollovers: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ and the flicker will disappear. regards Martin ** The

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. Two options I can think of: 1. Pre-load the hover images (using javascript) 2. Use a single background image with both states for each button and shift the background-position on hover. I prefer

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread gaertnersnet.de
Hello IMHO i think Bob has a good idea. I usually use a method called Farner image replacement,which works great in such cases. I`ve put an example below. You need two graphics, one for the normal state ( home.png ) and one for the hover state ( home-red.png). html head title/title

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
Hi Why not make the background image of the li the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 27 December 2005 09:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker Hi

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. tee On Dec 27, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: I would do a preload images on the body tag

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:03 AM, Web Man Walking wrote: Hi Why not make the background image of the li the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. Hi mysterious E. Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real quick fix. I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape,

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Heiden
tee, on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 13:03 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: Hi mysterious E. Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real quick fix. I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape, Mozilla, iE and Opera. Can you guys confirm? http://gb.lotusseeds.com/menutest_2.html

Re: [WSG] web developer toolbar for IE!!!!

2005-12-27 Thread Stevio
Any good? Is the better version reliable enough? - Original Message - From: sam sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:00 AM I have just installed the web developer tool bar for internet explorer

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
Hello Seems to work fine now in FF1.5. One thing, your About button still seems to flicker, don't know if there is a problem or you just forgot to do that one :-) had wasted some 4 hours trying out one of the Stu Nicholls' method (http://www.webreference.com/programming/ css_flicker/) and

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real quick and simple fix. Sorry, I neglected to mention that, I was thinking it, just not typing it. That what you get when you come into the office to find your

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real quick and simple fix. Thanks Martin, I'll keep this in mind when fixing other sites. It looks like I

Re: [WSG] Yet Another Float Problem

2005-12-27 Thread Drew Trusz
On 12/26/05, Paula Petrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the problem is solved--for the time being. It still does not work on Win98 with IE4, but I think that I have to draw the line. As Drew suggested, it was a rounding problem, but I did get a lot of practice writing if statement for the IE

[WSG] Re: ScreenreaderVisibility issue - (was) CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
Hi Martin, thought you might want to know, further browsers testing shows that #siteOption li a span { position: absolute; left: -1000px; font-size: 1px; } causes entire menu disappears in Mac IE, because my site holds up quite nicely in this browser with no single

Re: [WSG] Re: ScreenreaderVisibility issue - (was) CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
A speculative thought: Would it be that the universal margin and padding declaration get in the way because it has highest specificity? * {margin: 0; padding: 0;} I only started using it very recently in three sites but two of them didn't require me to use extra classess for padding and

Re: [WSG] Re: ScreenreaderVisibility issue - (was) CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Heiden
tee, on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 18:19 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: and this is the cure (without causing problem in PC' IEs): #siteOption li a span { text-indent: -16000px; font-size: 1px; } http://gb.lotusseeds.com/macie.html

[WSG] Vertical align problem

2005-12-27 Thread Elton Okada
Vertical align, it really works ? Example:style#box{widht:200px;height:200px}#box span{float:left}#box img{vertical-align:middle}/stylediv id=box spanSome text/spanimg src="">/divAny idea ?Thanks

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread David Hucklesby
Hello Tee, You wrote: Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. If that's the case, there's no need to use JS. Long ago, I had this problem

[WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Joshua Street
Hi all, Just wondering if anyone's had any luck with using JUST the PNG component of Dean Edwards' IE7 JavaScript? The full thing seems like overkill, because that's the only feature I really need. Alternatively, how does one go about getting alpha support for CSS background images? Not having a

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Absalom Media
Joshua Street wrote: Hi all, Just wondering if anyone's had any luck with using JUST the PNG component of Dean Edwards' IE7 JavaScript? The full thing seems like overkill, because that's the only feature I really need. Alternatively, how does one go about getting alpha support for CSS

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Nick Cowie
Josh asked: Alternatively, how does one go about getting alpha support for CSS background images? Not having a great deal of luck with this...I could not get alpha support for CSS background images to work in IE. I tried pngbehaviour.htc ( http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html )

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread David Hucklesby
Joshua, you wrote: Just wondering if anyone's had any luck with using JUST the PNG component of Dean Edwards' IE7 JavaScript? Aaron Boodman published Sleight a good while back. It has reportedly been adapted for background images by Drew McLellan:

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Joshua Street
Hmm, thanks. Should learn to RTF... website... or something :P HOWEVER! When I do that, IE6 with XPSP2 gives me security warnings and blocks it by default... then, it kills my typography (though positioning and image replacement and backgrounds all stay okay) whilst doing absolutely for PNG

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Joshua Street
Just tried with Sleight (which, incidentally, I'd read about before but forgotten existed!) and got the same security warning from IE6/XPSP2. =( Any suggestions welcome at this point! (Except for using GIFs/indexed transparency :P) On 12/28/05, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm,

[WSG] Negative margins questions

2005-12-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
I'm experiencing an issue with using negative margins that I've never had before, and it's only occurring in IE. I basically have a div container with a small padding added to it (.8em to be exact), and inside of it I have a series of paragraphs. I wanted to add horizontal rules between each

[WSG] Fieldset/legend semantics

2005-12-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
I have recently been re-evaluating my thinking on the subject of designing semantic forms and the use of fieldsets has raised a few questions for me. What I'd like to know is: at what point does it become semantically correct to include a fieldset? (Presentational effects aside) My first

Re: [WSG] Negative margins questions

2005-12-27 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I've setup a test case for the issues I'm having: http://www.epiphanize.com/NegativeMarginsTest.htm You'll notice both the hr and h1 separators work nicely in FF, and only the h1 works in IE while the hr doesn't want to cooperate. If the hr is only there for decorative purposes (i.e.

Re: [WSG] Negative margins questions

2005-12-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
Thanks Bert, I had a feeling someone was going to reply with that suggestion, and you're right :) The whole test case I setup was merely to display the point that the hr element was no cooperating with the negative margins. I'm hoping more specifically for an explanation on why that is, not

Re: [WSG] Dean Edwards IE7... just PNG support?

2005-12-27 Thread Donna Jones
Joshua Street wrote: Hmm, thanks. Should learn to RTF... website... or something :P HOWEVER! When I do that, IE6 with XPSP2 gives me security warnings and blocks it by default... then, it kills my typography (though positioning and image replacement and backgrounds all stay okay) whilst doing

Re: [WSG] Negative margins questions

2005-12-27 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I had a feeling someone was going to reply with that suggestion, and you're right :) The whole test case I setup was merely to display the point that the hr element was no cooperating with the negative margins. I'm hoping more specifically for an explanation on why that is, not on how