Geoff Deering wrote:
Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back into
the structure?
Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break the
semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say
this element represents the footer for the section it
On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We could have:
html
head/head
body
header/header
nav/nav
article/article
aside/aside
footer/footer
/body
/html
If you are going to
More than headers and footers I was a bit worrried seeing an element named small in the list... though actually there might be idea in adding something that gives negative weight, like an opposites of em and strong
unimportant or note maybe?On 1/26/06, Peter Asquith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geoff
At 11:52 PM 1/25/2006, Geoff Deering wrote:
header/header
nav/nav
article/article
aside/aside
footer/footer
Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back
into the structure?
...
The second
hey buddy, joomla its the first CMS to apply a valid xhtml+css plus Ajax admin functions... try do get it.
http://joomla.org
here you can find a lot of cms www.opensourcecms.com
cheers
2006/1/18, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
hello all,just a quick question,What one of these cms systems
On 1/26/06, Miika Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More than headers and footers I was a bit worrried seeing an element named
small in the list... though actually there might be idea in adding
something that gives negative weight, like an opposites of em and strong
unimportant or note maybe?
Christian, that was my point... small atleast *sounds* presentational (thought it could indicate text that is less important) and that was why I wasn't happy to see it's included in HTML5...
http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-smallOn 1/26/06, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alexorbit wrote:
hey buddy, joomla its the first CMS to apply a valid xhtml+css plus
Ajax admin functions... try do get it.
http://joomla.org
here you can find a lot of cms www.opensourcecms.com
http://www.opensourcecms.com
This is a pretty old thread. Can the admins please shift
Miika Mäkinen wrote:
I remember seeing one test on the @media handheld support and found it:
http://htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php
and a conclusion at http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/56.php
I guess the main issue still is that sizable chunk of mobile browser
share (Pocket
Peter Asquith wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
Do others feel there are *elements* of presentation creeping back
into the structure?
Absolutely, header and footer elements, to my mind, break the
semantics of separating the presentation from content. Once you say
this element represents the
Christian Montoya wrote:
If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might
as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume
everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking
about something new.
I'd be really interested in knowing how
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We could have:
html
head/head
body
header/header
nav/nav
article/article
aside/aside
footer/footer
/body
/html
If
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 1/25/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We could have:
html
head/head
body
header/header
nav/nav
article/article
aside/aside
footer/footer
Please keep CMS discussion to the CMS list. Log into the WSG
website and adjust your mail list preferences please.
This thread was closed a week ago.
Peter
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Hi,
I recall, although from where unsure, a standards compliant method of
embedding a font within a site with PHP. Can someone shed some
insight on this?
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Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep
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On 1/26/06, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
If you are going to make a tag for every element on the page you might
as well just serve an xml document with a stylesheet. I assume
everyone knows this can be done, yes? It's not like we are talking
about something new.
sIFR would probably be the method to which you are referring.
http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr/What+is+sIFR
Justin
On 1/26/06, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I recall, although from where unsure, a standards compliant method of
embedding a font within a site with PHP. Can
Hi,
Here's the URL http://artypapers.com/csshelppile/pcdtr/
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Guys and Gals,
There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days.
It raises this question for me.
I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun
playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good
tool or not.
Now Ruby is pounding
In my, suitably humble, opinion, PHP 'is a good thing' and so I'm
going to keep using it for the foreseeable future. The only thing
that'll make me really use RUBY is when people start wanting sites
upgraded when they are already using it.
This may come across as a bit of a
As far as I have read and tried Ruby, it is basically just a new
language, in my opinion PHP is still the best Server Side Language
around, but perhaps I should do some more tries on Ruby as I have thus
far.
Besides, Ruby on Rails is a simple form of Ruby, where very little
programming is
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:
[...] since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not.
[...]
Thanks,
www.asp.net
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Joseph,
on Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 15:49 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun
playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good
tool or not.
Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the
I looked from attributes in the blockquote tag on w3schools.com (which
I use when I forget some tags, since they have a pretty good reference
list).
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not
I'll echo Wayne's comment. Has nobody heard of ASP.Net or .NET 2.0
Framework. It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP.
If you are developing server side code then .NET/Java/PHP are the way to
go. If you want a rich user experience with application like UI then
ajax/atlas will interface with
Quoting Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the
blockquotes?
None that I'm aware of, no.
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On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP.
ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful...
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Media Logic
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On 1/26/06, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Besides, Ruby on Rails is a simple form of Ruby, where very little
programming is required, but gives you less control of it, in my
opinion. But I thank thee again for bring up the language in
question.
No, Ruby on Rails is a framework built in Ruby
Ok, SORRY for starting this thread, I didn't intend to start a classic
argument over server languages.
I just wanted to get a feel for how many of us standards guys are
adopting Ruby, or they plan to stick with PHP/other in the foreseeable
future.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
Sites by Joe, LLC
I believe Jeremy Keith or PPK has a javascript that pulls the cite attribute
out of the blockquote and places it as a link after the blockquote. It looks
like a research paper citation/footnote.
ted
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Hello Svip,
On 26 Jan 2006 at 17:10, Svip wrote:
But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the
blockquotes?
I know a little sample from the german Html-bible SelfHtml:
Look at
http://de.selfhtml.org/html/text/anzeige/blockquote_cite.htm
Right-Click on the blockquote
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext
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It's not about Ruby or PHP, this is not a case for a language. Only
frameworks matter.
So the standards guys just pick a RAD (aka just add water...)
framemork, be it Ruby on Rails for Ruby or CakePHP (Symfony, Claw,
Zephyr) for PHP, that are pretty much the same effective.
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I think the actual answer should be.
The cite attribute is not displayed by any browser. However it is available
if you right click on the blockquote and look at the properties. It is also
available for some future semantic web research.
I use it often since it only takes a few moments to add it
Ted Drake wrote:
I believe Jeremy Keith or PPK has a javascript that pulls the cite
attribute
out of the blockquote and places it as a link after the blockquote.
Here's a quick'n'dirty version:
http://24ways.org/advent/dom-scripting-your-way-to-better-blockquotes
There's a longer version
ColdFusion is built in Java...
On 1/26/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/26/06 11:20 AM, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's the only serious rival to Java and PHP.
ColdFusion is a much easier language and far more powerful...
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Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right
clicked.
It is also possible to display the cite attribute using attribute selectors,
(except in
Hi all
I'm closing this thread as it is off topic for the list.
Feel free to discuss the use of server side languages in relation to
web standards on the list. X vs Y is better left off the list as it
really has nothing to do with web standards (read the guidelines).
Thanks
James
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Oh my, that is extremely well, I like that. Thank you very much for
that information. :)
Is it possible to export it as a link (a) instead of plain text
using content:?
Regards,
Svip - sviip.dk
On 26/01/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the
Trying to understand where I have gone sooo wrong
This looks ok in IE (surprise eh?) however Mozilla, Opera and Mac IE 5.1 /
OS8.6 it breaks and looks awful.
I have now stripped the css to the bare minimum for requirements and uploaded a
fresh copy of it, it validates but it doesn't mean
You'll need to supply so links Veine. :)
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Hey Veine
Unfortunately, without being able to see it, it means as little to us as it
does to you!
A link to the site/page in question would be useful.
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http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/
been one of those days I'm afraid ;)
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:55:05 -0500
Trying to understand where I have gone sooo
Hello Veine,
add a 'clear:both;' to
..rightcolumnfront
and
#contentlow
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I am tearing my hair out over the decision on how to best format following
data:
We start with a list of items and subitems:
Item 1
- SubItem 1.1
- SubItem 1.1.1
- SubItem 1.1.2
- Subitem 1.2
Item 2
- SubItem 2.1
...
Sounds very much like a collection of LIs, right? Well, the
At 04:46 PM 1/26/2006, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] Item 1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.1
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.1.2
[Add] [Edit] [Delete] - SubItem 1.2
...
Andreas,
I could argue either list
You're saying that Add is a definition of Item 1
dtItem 1/dt
dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd
dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd
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Hmm I'd strongly contest a definition list. Maybe nested UL's would be
better... but Item 1 cannot be sensibly/reasonably _defined_ as Add,
or Edit, or Delete.
On 1/27/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andreas,
I could argue either list or table, but I'd be inclined to make it a
The problem with putting the links into a nested UL is that the list
wouldn't make sense anymore in the end. We would have the subitems in nested
ULs as well as the links. Links and subitems cannot be treated semantically
the same:
li
Item 1
ul
liAdd/li
liEdit/li
At 05:39 PM 1/26/2006, Paul Bennett wrote:
You're saying that Add is a definition of Item 1
dtItem 1/dt
dda href=?add=123Add/a/dd
dda href=?edit=123Edit/a/dd
At 05:44 PM 1/26/2006, Joshua Street wrote:
Hmm I'd strongly contest a definition list. Maybe nested UL's
So is the alternative unstructured content?
liItem 1
a href=#Add/a
a href=#Edit/a
a href=#Delete/a
/li
Maybe a combination of nested ordered and unordered lists would be more
suitable.
ol
liItem 1
ul
liAdd/li
liEdit/li
Even with the link supplied - either all of you are asleep - or am as stumped
as I am at this point ;)
~Veine
Link again: http://www.jpfco.com/testdesign/new/
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Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 2:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
So is the alternative unstructured content?
Could you do something like
ul
liItem 1 div class=editfunctions[Add] [Edit] [Delete]/div/li
ul
liSubitem 1.1 div class=editfunctions[Add] [Edit]
[Delete]/div/li
...
/ul
...
/ul
and use css positioning to move the div to the left of the list?
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From: Andreas Boehmer
How about this:
style type=text/cssli span {float:right; margin-right:30%;}/style
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanItem 1
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.1
ul
lispan[ Add | Edit | Delete ] /spanSubItem 1.1.1/li
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