Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-07 Thread Chris Wilson
McLaughlin, Gail G wrote: > We always ask the client if they require that the site comply > with accessibility. The response ranges from "What is > accessibility?" to "we'll worry about that later" to "No!" So you build poor sites unless specifically told to build them to standards? Ouch. *

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-07 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
My thought exactly. If you were an architect, would you ask a shopping centre client: "do you want wheelchair access?" Elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Pack Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 3:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.or

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-07 Thread Joseph Taylor
I'm glad to hear that so many of us are experts on law and other topics that have nothing to do with web standards whatsoever. What does this suit have to do with web standards? Well, perhaps down the road somewhere more strict governing will be put in place. Do we want the government invol

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-07 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I agree completely with you. With the exception of your API specifics, I think the same exact way. The cost of adding accessibility should really be zero. It takes no extra time or effort if you are designing and coding your websites the proper, because the methods used for accessibility are a

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-07 Thread Joseph Taylor
McLaughlin, Gail G wrote: We always ask the client if they require that the site comply with accessibility. Why not say "Would you like a shitty website, or a good quality website"? Well-made shouldn't be an extra feature... In fact, since its clearly cheaper and easier to make a crapp

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-07 Thread Geoff Pack
McLaughlin, Gail G wrote: > We always ask the client if they require that the site comply > with accessibility. The response ranges from "What is > accessibility?" to "we'll worry about that later" to "No!" Why bother asking? You don't need you clients' permission to build a site properly.

Re: [WSG] Why DON'T you-know-who just fix the site?

2007-10-07 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I've actually been thinking about this question for a while now. I think that most of the answers you have said are very possible. Another I think is that maybe their developer convinced them that it is accessible so they are under the mistaken assumption that the problem has been fixed. Or, th

[WSG] Why DON'T you-know-who just fix the site?

2007-10-07 Thread John Horner
Let's say there's a big store called, er, Tegrat. They have complaints about their website not being accessible, which have gone on for some time and are now the subject of legal action. We, the people on this list, know that it's not technically difficult, and shouldn't be time-consuming or expe