Re: [WSG CORE] RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-07 Thread Vicki Berry
James Ellis wrote: I think John, Betty, Steve or Jane are always more preferable labels, if my drift is seen ;), otherwise, the person tends to become the label in societal eyes. [snip] The moral for us? Accessibility is for everyone, not just for a group deemed disabled... and politics

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-07 Thread Ian Kershaw
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Re: [WSG CORE] RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-06 Thread James Ellis
Hi I think John, Betty, Steve or Jane are always more preferable labels, if my drift is seen ;), otherwise, the person tends to become the label in societal eyes. Interestingly, dis comes from the latin and can mean absence, bad or similar. See: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dis-

Re: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http://ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Leslie Riggs
'Users with Disabilities' is better than 'disabled users' generally, however, when referring to deaf users, it depends on whether the user is culturally deaf or not. Culturally Deaf users are those that use sign language for communication and belong to the deaf community. They're referred to

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Herrod, Lisa
. All the best, lisa -Original Message- From: Leslie Riggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 4:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http://ab c.net.au/ 'Users with Disabilities' is better than

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Vicki Berry
Herrod, Lisa wrote: Hi Leslie, Thanks for that, it's interesting to hear from the states about this and I was hoping that there were some Deaf members on the list :) It would be great to hear from anyone here in Australia on this point too. I'm Australian and I'm hearing impaired, I'm also

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
Vicki, Well said, sane and funny. Thank you. Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicki Berry Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:57 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for

Re: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http://ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Alistair Knock
As usual it all depends who you ask. In the UK the social model of disabilities means that 'disabled people' is preferred over 'people with disabilities' since disabled people implies barriers put in place by society, such as an inaccessible web site. People with disabilities reads/sounds more

Re: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Leslie Riggs
All in how each person views it, I suppose. My (not) hearing *is* normal... For me, the humiliation lies in the obvious misperceptions of people I meet every day - it's amazing what people will assume you can't do, simply because you don't have or use a particular physical feature. To bring

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
Leslie Riggs wrote: Following web standards is all well and good, but how are you going to stream the audio when you can't hear it, if you can't do it this? How do you know your method will WORK? Some people can be thick -- even when well-intentioned. But on the subject of streaming

RE: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
Conyers, Dwayne wrote: Leslie Riggs wrote: Following web standards is all well and good, but how are you going to stream the audio when you can't hear it, if you can't do it this? How do you know your method will WORK? Some people can be thick -- even when well-intentioned. But on the

Re: 'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http: //ab c.net.au/

2005-08-04 Thread Leslie Riggs
It's an uphill battle. Accessibility is a hot topic these days, but online streamed video and audio access by way of captioning or subtitling for the Deaf / hard of hearing is very poorly implemented. Even the big sites crowing about how their websites meet and even exceed accessibility

'users with disabilities' WAS: [WSG] New front page for http://ab c.net.au/

2005-08-03 Thread Herrod, Lisa
'Users with Disabilities' is better than 'disabled users' generally, however, when referring to deaf users, it depends on whether the user is culturally deaf or not. Culturally Deaf users are those that use sign language for communication and belong to the deaf community. They're referred to as